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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Simba on March 19, 2015, 06:29:09 PM
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I recently bought a copy of a catalogue from the Castle Crystal Company based in Hull in 1920/30' ..it contains trinket sets which I have copied and given to Anne to put up on her website, but also Wine services so I am posting them here if anyone is interested... I was surprised to learn that small jars with ground lids, of which I have quite a collection and are often called pickle jars, are in this catalogues called Cherry Bottles and used in a cocktail set for storing the cherries...well you learn something new everyday....will take a couple of pages to post them all....
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more pages from Castle Crystal catalogue....
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Catalogue front pages..... Hope these will be of help to someone :)
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Lovely, thank you Angela.
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very interesting, thanks Angela............. take it you've decided not to include the trinket set pages here ?
would agree that the cherry bottles have the appearance of 'pickles' - but I don't see any quoted sizes - perhaps they were smaller than those we normally call pickles. Incidentally, do you have any coloured pickles - they seem to be 99.9% clear wherever I go - I've only ever once found a pair in uranium, but believe there are some bluey/green ones from the Regency period.
Presumably wholesalers/agents only - I like the Ruskin quote. :)
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Thanks Paul...it's no problem I will put up the trinket sets if anyone is interested...I only have clear 'pickle' jars too I haven't seen any coloured ones...mine come in a variety of sizes and most with 'cut' or etched pattern similar to wine glasses which makes me think they could be Cherry Bottles..also they always seems a curiously awkward vessel for serving pickles, as you would need a spoon to extract it, and a shallow dish is more suitable or a lidded pot with a cut out piece for a spoon to rest....I like the Ruskin quote too :)
Some of my Pickle/ cherry bottles....
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Strangely just found a uranium one on ebay but from the size 8.5" it would appear to be a cocktail shaker !! ;)
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I've not looked at ebay, but from memory seem to recall that shakers have twin opposed pouring lips, and are much taller than pickles. I think that the height you quote discounts the ebay item being a pickle.
Am I not right in thinking that there is a sort of Neptune's trident shaped thingy with three tines, and with little barbs on the outer two - for stabbing pickles - I have several, as I also collect a lot of EPNS flatware. I'd always thought these longish fork things were for pricking pickles - I'll post a pic of one tomorrow after lunch - but perhaps I'm wrong.
Mind you with the size of openings on pickles you'd certainly get a spoon into the jar, but I find the pickles tend to roll around and avoid the spoon. ;)
Ruskin was an odd ball to say the least, have you ever tried 'The Stones of Venice'? - hard going I thought.
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I'm busily pondering the pages that Angela emailed to me (thanks again for them Angela!) and trying to determine if Wright & Pouncy were manufacturers or wholesalers / importers... that will determine how to add the info to the GTS website. I don't want to add it as an English maker if they subsequently turn out to be an importer for makers elsewhere, as trying to correct the info afterwards just causes headaches when all the sellers who use the info on eBay perpetuate the misinformation...
Do we know anything at all about Wright and Pouncy other than what is written on the catalogue page?
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I've just found entries for the company in the PO Directories for Glasgow dated between 1926-28:
West George street. 37 . Wright & Pouncy The Denholm Manufacturing Co., Ltd who are listed as clock manufacturers and importers
and an undated entry also in the PO Directory for Glasgow:
The Post-Office Annual Glasgow Directory
The Denholm Manufacturing Co., Ltd., clock manufacturers and importers, Morrison court, 108
Argyle St., C.2
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And a wee bit more... The Denholm Manufacturing Company Ltd went into voluntary liquidation in 1932 and was finally wound up in 1933 [Source: London Gazette, 8th April 1932 and 24 March 1933] so that gives us an end date for them!
Or maybe not.. ::) ... as a search of the National Archives gives the following result:
Reference: BT 31/32646/200510
Description: No. of Company: 200510; Denholm Manufacturing Company Limited. Incorporated in 1924. Dissolved in 1948.
So they appeared to have been a short-lived company... unless someone knows better! ;)
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amazing work Anne - can't imagine anyone is going to top that for first class effort - well done :)
sorry to detract a little but further to the earlier comments, herewith a picture of some pickle forks showing their distinctive barbs, and the link shows the uranium pickle jars I mentioned.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55081.msg312117.html#msg312117
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yes Anne that's all I could find on them too...but just noticed on the logo it says Made in Silesia which is Czech or Poland I think ?
Paul I think these jars are very versatile, in my old Victorian and Edwardian catalogues definitely called Pickle jars so got a new name and new use in the new age of Art Deco, I suppose makers had to diversify.
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Mainly Poland with a wee bit of Czech and German land thrown in, Angela. So I'm really thinking that we are looking at an importer not a manufacturer... and did all their imports come from the sme place or did they shop around - in which case, how to classify this under GTS?
Re the pickle forks, we had those when I was a child, I love them!
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Well Anne I think the actual catalogue is from the Silesian company Castle Crystal and curiously the front page of the catalogue with the 'importers' details has a serrated edge so it can easily be removed from the catalogue so I would go with Silesia and Wright and Pouncy as just the importers
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I also note that every page of the catalogue has the Castle Crystal Logo on it so definitely all from the one manufacturer....thought the picture of the castle looked very European ....doh should have put my glasses on and took a closer look. ::)
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Thanks Angela, that's interesting... did you also spot Frank's comment on the Trinket Set topic? http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,59309.msg336350.html#msg336350 He suggests we check out the Josephinenhutte catalogues for pattern matches too.
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Yes Anne just had a FB message from him so we are getting to the bottom of this mystery slowly. ;D
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The long delay to dissolution is not abnormal after a company ceases trading, good to have the start date added which ties in with the Jo-He-Ky formation. So I can check in a narrower timeframe of 1924-32 typeface of catalogue fits 1924 too. I had known about Glasgow but glass connection was not really there apart from clock glasses having been sold to them.