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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriss on June 22, 2015, 09:33:11 PM
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Hi I was hoping that someone would be able to id my vase please? Including the metal mount, it stands 3" tall and 2.5" wide. To me, it resembles Czech glass (I have a number of modest Kralik, Leotz and similar glass pieces). I know there is a jewelled range that some of their manufacturers did, but I've not seen any jewelled pieces before so have nothing but internet pictures to guide me? Any info would be much appreciated thanks :) Chriss
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I would consider France also, are the stones lapis lazuli or perhaps sodalite?
John
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France seconded but I have no clue about the function.
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A card holder? :)
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Hi and thanks everyone for all of your help :) What French makers or areas could that include or would it be impossible to say please? 8) I'm not sure if the blue mounts are stone or glass made to look like stone? I have a graduated coral bead necklace which has a Czech stamp to the clasp and is glass made to look like coral so I thought this may have been like that ::) The small round dark blue ones are different to the larger ones as the large ones are paler and have a milky like inclusion and white within them, but the small ones are a single darker colour, I've taken closer images of that area for you as I'm not 100% sure sorry? A number of business cards do fit easily into it, but also could it maybe have been used for matches or toothpicks? ???
Thanks again for your help :)
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In older times, folk used to use what were called "calling cards", a more personal and intimate sort of thing than a business card. :)
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My first thought was a candle holder - for the right shaped candle, eg a Havdalah candle used in Judaism. A google of "havdalah candle holder" shows similar items.
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I think its a vanity dish, pin dish sort & the jeweled feature would fit in nicely with either Czech or Austria vanity products of that era as this is the type of thing they did on vanity items, perfumes, powder jars, etc.
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Hi Thanks for the help and info everyone :) In fairness I hoped that it was Czech or Austrian too when I bought it as it reminded me of some of my collection, but I've never seen the jewelled items in the flesh that are photographed on the net? When it was in it's prime, I think this was a quality item and if i had to look at it's date, jusdging from the rest of my glass as comparisons, I would punt at it being 100 years old? if you look past the tarnish on the metal, (and the stone loss the other side ... :/) I'd never thought of France, but I don't know much about French glass as I collect mainly English and Austrian Art Nouveau glass and know absolutely nothing about Havdalah Candle Holders. I saw the post earlier from ju1i3 (thankyou :D) about the possibility of it being a candle holder, so I have sent an email message to a synagogue in the hope that they would recognise it, if they reply, I will let you know :) Thanks again Chriss
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Chriss below are a couple of examples of this type of work from Czech/Austria that I have. Honestly I think 1920's to pre-WWII is a more accurate dating for you piece so may be a 100 years, but a solid 80+.
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I'm not happy about speculation about function. Most likely it s a piece of Sèvres or Choisy trom the end of the 19th century, and no one can convince me of party lights. Hat pin cushion with cushion missing, or even hair brush holder are more probable. But unless the item is described in a factory catalogue with a proper description, we only have the glass itself and the mounting as leads.
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Chriss, this has been dingling in the back of my mind and today I remembered why... there are similarly decorated perfume bottles in an article by Petr Novy which attributes them to Franz Josef Vater and Co, Jablonec, Czechoslovakia. It states, "Glass for export company Hugo Dahm in Jablonec nad Nisou was supplied by the refinery Franz Josef Vater & Co., Josefův Důl. Pressed glass with relief decoration, metal fitting, jewellery stones" So this is definitely an area to look into. Here's the link to the article:
http://www.prazskagalerie.cz/en/news/from-editorial/luxury-for-everyone-chapters-from-history-and-present-of-art-crystalware-4
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Hi I've heard back from Senior Rabbi Danny (thank you for your help) who has shown images to two of his Rabbinic Coleagues (his words), non of them are convinced that it may be a Havdalah Candle Holder, I haven't got a clue, and although he said he was not an expert in Judaica, I would have thought they would have been pretty clued up because of his background, I think that rules that particular item out :)
Thanks for the info everyone, it gives me something to look into.
I don't know where there are any good databases or catalogues about French Glass such as Sevres or Choisy which I know nothing about and when trying to find more about Sevres and Choisy Glass but I keep finding examples of Sevres Choisy Le Roi Opalescent Glass items so are the two names seperate companies please? I can see the metal mounts of the facetted and/or etched glass (mainly perfume bottles) have very similar metal decoration and mounts, but I can find nothing similar in those links or google searches of the names within the links showing similar glass to the blue/white marble decor, do I focus on the metal mounts and stone first or the glass or a comination of the two please?
I can find decor similar to the overall look of my glass (with both the decor and mounts/jewelled or similar decoration) when I have looked at some marmoriertes or marbled glass items
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/64732-marmoriertes-glass--loetz-and-others
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Thanks again for your help Chriss :)
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Hi I thought I would add an update to this :) I took this glass to the glass fair yesterday, and a dealer selling mainly Loetz and Kralik glass told me it was French, yet a dealer selling a lot of French glass said it was Bohemian? :/ There was a dealer opposite him though, selling a small bowl with an identical mount re pierced metal pattern and blue jewelled detail though the glass was not mottled and was more a solid pale blue and was a small symmetrical bowl. He said his bowl and my vase where either Ferdinand or Benedict Poschinger. In my wisdom I forgot to ask him if I could take a photo for here though :)
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http://www.poschinger.de/
You can always ask. They're a really friendly and helpful lot.
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Thanks for the link I will check it out :) Yes I found everyone I spoke to really approachable and helpful, this was my first glass fair, and I learnt loads and am very pleased that I made the effort to go this time :) I would have asked, but asking for photos totally slipped my mind ;D I went armed with 4 pieces of glass that I wanted info about and by the time I had taken my lump of a WMF Ikora to show Nigel Benson, I had given up the ghost so decided to go home instead :/ I'm hoping the same guy will be at the fair in November and will still have that piece of glass as I can do a re-run armed with my camera and on a mission ;D