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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: andreask2 on August 05, 2015, 12:39:30 PM
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Hi!
I'm trying to find out the producer of a white glass bottle with 350ml and I hope you could help me identifying it.
Here is a picture from the bottom of the glass, is it a "punt mark"?:
(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150805/vin4j795.jpg)
I have no idea if those information can identify the producer, that's what I think but I couldn't figure it out. Perhaps you have an idea where to look at?
Thanks a lot in advance!
Best
Andreas
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Hello Andreas,
If I'm not mistaken, the mark or logo's a bottle, belonging to Kefla Glas Germany.
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It's not what you are calling a punt mark, which is the scar left on a piece of glass when the punty (or pontil) rod is broken off.
This can be either left as it is, or further treated to make it neater or more sophisticated. It can be heated to smooth sharp edges, or be polished out and finished off to a high shine or left rough, sometimes another tiny blob of glass is put over the scar to cover it up, and sometimes a metal tool is used to impress a logo into that.
The bottom of this bottle is moulded.
Welcome to the board. :)
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hello Andreas - welcome to the GMB. I hope Anne won't object to my adding a little to your request for information.
Your bottle is machine made, and all of the marks/letters/digits on the base are the result of the mould which is used to produce the shape of your bottle. These marks show as intaglio in the mould and because of this they appear in relief on the finished product - so the 'bottle' mark that you refer to is simply a mould mark.
However.........
Very old bottles, most older drinking glasses and much modern quality glass is hand made/blown, unlike your bottle, and whilst this process is adequate for one end of the glass, it leaves the other (open) end unfinished. In order for the worker to finish the open end of the piece, he needs to attach a pontil rod (solid iron) to the centre of the base, in order to manipulate the glass to add a handle etc., and create the final shape. When the piece is finished, this pontil rod is snapped away from what is by this time solidified glass, thus leaving a rough/sharp area in the centre of the base referred to, usually, as the pontil/punty/puntee mark.......... on modern glass, this scar is ground smooth for aesthetic reasons, and the resulting slightly circular or oval depression is often called a printie - and the same name is used when this circular/oval depression is used as a decorative feature elsewhere on the glass.
There was the use of your word punt, in connection with very old drinking glasses, apparently, and was a small version of a printie - and applied as a decorative feature on drinking glasses, but not as far as I know on bottles.
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sorry Sue - so busy typing hadn't seen that you'd replied :)
Compliments on your English Andreas........... was there some particular reason you were asking the question, or simply curiosity? :)
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Your reply is a bit more informative than mine, so not a waste of "Stirling" effort at all.
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In bottle technique, the bottom logo which identifies the maker is called..... wait for it.... a punt mark
http://www.emhartglass.com/media-center/punt-marks
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oh gosh we live and learn - thanks to Ivo............. doubtless why the op referred to the mark as a punt mark........ although suspect a Continent of Europe term rather than U.K.
Shows how ignorance derives from being too insular, and thinking from the point of view of our own country only................ also not being a bottle collector ;)
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Tach Andreas, ich sehe gerade dass dies dein erstes Posting war - also herzlich wilkommen bei unserem Glasboard.
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Hello everybody!
Thank you so much for all the helpful answers! I'm very new to the topic of glass, so great to see so many people here knowing so much about it. I did a lot of research by mysqlf before opening this topic here. I also found the document posted by Ivo above - that's why I called it "punt mark" ;-) But I did not recognice any mark from the document on the bottle (only the letters).
I just talked to people from Kefla, and they said it's not from them. @Anne - why did you think it's from them? If it's the bottle symbol, perhaps it's without the handle usually?
I'm sure the bottle is produced by machine, probably somewehere here in europe. The bottle itself looks like that: http://feinkost-hellas.de/media/images/org/glasflasche-linea.jpg
I got the bottle filled with oil and I like it very much, I'm pretty interested in where this bottle comes from. I could never imagine how difficult it is to find out who produces a bottle, so I got even more encouraged to find that out now ;-)
Thanks again to everbody!
Best
Andreas
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The largest producers of luxury packaging glass in Europe are Kefla in Germany and Vetreria Etrusca in Italy and Durobor in Belgium - but every country has at least one bottle makers, and ntheir products look very much alike. It could be Greek, or Portugese, or one of the Spanish makers. Or even Serbian. So good luck in finding out about this one specific bottle.
The 35 cl <inverted 3> 44 mm is the European standard: this bottle contains 35 cl if filled to 44 mm from the top.
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I thought of Kefla Andreas, because the mark in the middle of the bottom of your bottle, looks like their logo... but anyway, no point in arguing this, as they said themselves that it's not theirs :D
Sorry for the long link, but I don't know if I'm allowed to use their logo here....
Any chance of posting an image with the whole bottle on it, just for reference?
Google images link (http://www.google.be/imgres?imgurl=http:%2F%2Fwww.gamavetro.com%2Fimages%2Flogo_kefla.jpg&imgrefurl=http:%2F%2Fwww.bouteilleshuile.com%2Fpresentation%2Fnos-partenaires%2F&h=96&w=100&tbnid=h-0k7fOqrLj9EM:&docid=JwHnSGlDrjgGMM&hl=en-GB&ei=3q7EVeWgEIa-ePPHsfgI&tbm=isch&client=win8searchapp&iact=rc&uact=3&page=1&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=0CGwQrQMwGWoVChMI5YecqoaXxwIVBh8eCh3zYwyP)
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