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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on August 20, 2015, 03:50:13 PM
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not sure if it is a platter, cake tray or even a trinket tray, but attractive cutting and at least we know who made it.
Something like 11.5" (290 mm) long.
According to Roger Dodsworth's 'British Glass between the wars', this backstamp - using the word crystal in the mark - was in use from about 1927 and on through the 1930's but the condition of the piece suggests it might be more recent in date.
If anyone knows a pattern name or has a better suggestion for the date of the mark, it would be great to know. thanks :)
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I found the dates for E&L Crystal here.
http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=182&Itemid=6
I recently had to, found a biscuit barrel with this mark on it. Sometimes older glass just didn't get used a lot, or shoved in a cabinet and left alone. It can be remarkably unworn. My (not staying mine!) biscuit barrel is remarkably unworn.
My brother might be able to find a pattern name, I'll ask him.
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thanks for that Sue - appreciate the help. So, looks to be a mark used up until the end of the 1930's, which does run counter to my first thoughts bearing in mind the lack of wear - honestly it looks to have been made in the last five years - but am sure you're right about some things not seeing a lot of use. Can't imagine glass biscuit barrels having been in fashion for many a long year - think they were popular in the couple of decades prior to the second war and perhaps a little after. I've also have a couple of them, but without provenance - oval in cross-section - I think it was a deco shape - it seems quaint now, and don't think there is another piece of utility glass that shares this shape - perhaps a small mustard maybe.
Discounting drinking glasses, I don't see much E. & L. older pieces down here, probably all up your neck of the woods. Look forward to hearing some time if your brother is able to find a pattern name. :)
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Your plate looks a bit "art cut", that's the sort of thing my brother likes. I don't believe E&L did very much "art cut" at all. Here's the biscuit barrel.
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thanks Sue - so yours is circular then, unlike some which were a sort of oval - attractive by the way - what is the height as a matter of interest? Would agree this platter is certainly not the usual run of the mill criss-cross mitres - it does have a more geometric patterned look.
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Your plate looks a bit more "floral" than just plain geometric. Possibly semi-art cut?
The barrel itself is 6" tall, with the lid on, 8". At the moment, it looks even worse than usual, because I've stuck a bit of kitchen roll between lid and base to prevent any damage happening.
Even the base of the rim of the lid is polished and arrised.
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quite right - poor choice of words on my part. Would your describe it as a modernist art design? - bearing in mind the period from which it comes.
know what you mean gel about 'arrased - my oh give me some grief at times and then I'm well 'arrased. ;) ;)
But jokes aside............an arris is that sharp edge where two flat surfaces meet - usually a right angle. The reason I say all of this is because I was wondering if you might have meant that the arris had been bevelled.
With glass - when two surfaces meet at a sharp edge, there is massive tendency for chipping - which is why often the arris is bevelled.
If I have misinterpreted your words then apologies ........ ;D
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I was referring to the arrising being the bevel.
So the base of the rim of the lid is polished flat, and arrised. (to prevent chipping at the right-angled edge which would otherwise have been there. (It's not right-angled now, it's got the arris.)
I suppose modernist might be the correct term, given the time period - but it is all before my time. ;)
I tend to use modernist in describing my preference in classical music, that encompasses much of 20th century stuff. I don't know how it is really used in other fields.
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quite right - and everything is before my time too ;D
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Sue - Woodward (The Story of Edinburgh Crystal) says that "There are 14 substantial volumes of Edinburgh Crystal's pattern books persevered at Penicuik etc. etc. ............ I know we have spoken of these in recent years on the Board, but I don't know if they are still at that location.
Are you saying that Michael has access to these pattern books/catalogues?? :)
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Not Michael, my brother, and he might. I don't really know what he's got, but he has come up with info before about Edinburgh stuff, I found an art cut salad bowl before and he was able to get the info on that.
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that's rather good - those very wide mitres are especially unusual.
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It's a bit "owl-ish". Dated to '67.
I'd thought it was a small fruit bowl, turns out it's a salad.