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Title: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 09, 2015, 09:27:05 AM

Hiya,
been a while since my last post....
Found this rather fascinating vase during my trip to England in the Stourbridge area.
Unfortunately the base colour of the glass seems wrong for Webb´s ´Bronze Glass´.
Can anyone suggest a maker? Richardson?
It´s ca. 21.5cm tall, so quite a whopper for this decor.
Funny side note - from the seller´s description it became obvious he actually deemed it pottery.  :P
TIA
Dirk

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 09, 2015, 09:39:05 AM

Nice one. Try a UV torch on it but you will need to select a bit without iridescence

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 09, 2015, 10:00:54 AM

Hi Christine,
I had tried that of course.  ;D Sadly no reaction...

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 09, 2015, 10:40:20 AM

That kind of blue when uranium I tend to associate with Stevens and Williams but that could be something I made up of course

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: keith on September 09, 2015, 12:38:11 PM

I'd just like to know where in Stourbridge you found such a great piece !  :o ;D ;D

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 09, 2015, 01:44:53 PM

Think I probably made a mistake actually, Keith.
I think I bought this one in Gloucester... sorry. getting old.  ::)

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: keith on September 09, 2015, 02:09:34 PM

Know how you feel !  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 10, 2015, 05:58:25 AM

Read about it?  ;)

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: flying free on September 23, 2015, 01:55:37 PM

Have you investigated Loetz Lava ? Phänomen genre 377 ?
the shape does look like a Thomas Webb or rather English though.
m

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: orangeglass on September 24, 2015, 07:36:26 PM

I think it's one of those by the unknown maker! ;)

same base and I think same (or similar) shape.

I''ll see if I can find the other post I'm sure is one here somewhere (when i do it will probably turn out to be nothing like it  ;D)

They are very nice whoever made them

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: orangeglass on September 24, 2015, 07:49:09 PM

Yes, found it and it was nothing like that!

Would Dartington studio or Royal Brierley have done anything like this?

Is there much wear to the base?

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: keith on September 24, 2015, 10:39:18 PM

Pretty sure it's not Royal Brierley Studio but I saw some quite flash Dartington stuff recently that I wouldn't have thought had been made by them so who knows  ::) ;D

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: glassobsessed on September 25, 2015, 06:37:36 AM

Dartington Studio did make some lovely bits, they usually (but not always) had an impressed mark on the base: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5375

John

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 27, 2015, 07:10:28 AM

Thank you all for your suggestions. I tend do discount Loetz, because the iridescence just isn´t strong enough for
a Phänomen piece and I don´t think it´s a newer piece of Royal Brierley either.
My two cent - without being able to give proof other than some age-related base wear - would be that this is a
piece of the same era or slightly later and possibly by  different maker imitating the Bronze style.

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: flying free on September 27, 2015, 07:12:19 PM

I've seen your vase before somewhere - is it on the board somewhere maybe?
m

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: brucebanner on September 29, 2015, 11:54:04 AM

I just showed the pictures of this to Charles Hajdamach, he said Stevens and Williams never made anything like this, he did not think it Webbs although Webbs did make a purple base bronze coloured glass as well as green, but it's rare. He said it was probably Bohemian.

I thought it worth a try, regards Chris.

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: dirk. on September 29, 2015, 06:58:13 PM

Many thanks, m. and many thanks to you, too, Chris, for showing it to Charles. I´m beginning to think this will become
a tough one if even he doesn´t recognise it...
Meanwhile I´ve found this one on CW, which might be mis-identified as Webb, because it seems to have the same base
colour as mine. But perhaps the more distinctive shape might give a clue?
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/55879-thomas-webb-and-sons-bronze-vase-1878

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: brucebanner on September 29, 2015, 08:26:50 PM

A crazy looking vase in the link, it's done well to survive 137 years with no damage, all the old heavy Webbs glass i have seen has been damaged, (although i have only seen the 3). I would say 7 out of 10 Victorian pieces have some damage, there rare to get in mint condition.

This includes sun purpling, wear to gilding and decoration, chips, water staining, cracks and previous restoration.

Title: Re: Likely not Thomas Webb Bronze Glass - who else?
Post by: flying free on July 22, 2021, 07:52:51 PM

See page 169 on this link.
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Pottery_Glass_Trades_Journal/hyUGAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=davenport+glass-works+Longport&pg=PA88&printsec=frontcover

The Pottery & Glass Trades' Journal 1878

J. T. H. Richardson Glass Works advertisement at the top of the page says they were the:
 'Sole Licensee for the manufacture of Webb's Patent Bronze Glass'