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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: booklands on September 16, 2015, 11:22:30 AM
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Hi, have a nice iridescent glass vase with the number 746 on the base. Anyone have a idea of the maker please? It is 8" tall and 2" across the body. See photos.
Many thanks for any help.
Booklands
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Hi and welcome.
There is a whole load of techie info. and tips on how to post images here.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/board,22.0.html
You just need to find the set of instructions which are relevant to the programmes you use.
I'm afraid I really can't see enough of your glass, in good enough detail, to make anything useful out.
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Hi I hope these photos are better?
Regards
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http://www.loetz.com/decors-a-z/dek/dekor-dek/121
I came by this which states a number PN II-746, but the pattern is different, although the gold and the iridescence seems the same.
It says the numbers can appear alone too...
http://www.loetz.com/decors-a-z/dek
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Those images are miles and miles better! :)
- thank-you for taking the time and trouble to sort them out.
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Glasfabrik Schliersee c.1908 I think according to this post here
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/101546-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-ca-1908
The poster has also given a huge amount of information on the pieces and the company.
m
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That's a company i've never heard of, and the style is very similar to Loetz, nice.
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Thank you all for your comments - really useful and much appreciated. I was rather hoping the number on the base may make identification easy but it seems it is not a common mark. Will research the info provided.
Many thanks
Booklands
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it is identified - it was made by Glasfabrik Schliersee :)
m
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My apologies Flying Free, i hadn't taken on board your comments and identification. Very many thanks for the info - I'm delighted!!
Regards
Booklands
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I am happy that M's attribution is ok, based on the CW link.
But before I put an ID in the title, can we please, Booklands, see a close up view of the patterning on the main body of your vase (as opposed to just the foot).
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OK here is a photo which I hope is suitable. Difficult due to the material. Will try again if not.
Regards
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Kev, I know what you are getting at. OP's pictures do not make the decor look either as intricate or the same colours as the vases I linked to. However, I think, looking at OP's very first picture of the base, that it is the same decor, which may either be a different colourway (reversed colours ) or is the same but not lit and photographed as well as the ones I linked to.
I have a green iridescent piece that also has the gold ink-etched process on it. It's incredibly hard to photograph and make it look good - and it is very beautiful in real life - as lighting it is key to making it representative of the decor in real life.
Also if you compare OP's very first photo of the base in first post, with the last pic in OP's second post you will see that they look like two completely different bases because the iridescence and colour is completely flattened out in the last pic in second post.
OP, if you can get your vase inside and have light shone on it so it shows all the iridescence in separate bandings, that would help. It should look like your very very first pic on here (the too small base pic) where you can see the different alternate colours of orangey gold iridescence and then blue iridescence in the stripes, all with the thin gold ink-etched lines outlining each section. Don't take the photo with the flash on. Flash takes away all the nuances of the iridescence. You just need to have it lit well with soft but not directly on it, lighting.
Kev, the poster on CW makes the point that 'The glass is a deep cobalt blue, and is painted in violet and gold iridescent ink in waves of zig-zag lines in the vase body'. I think it wears off. I think this has happened to the goldy bits on OP's vase body. On my piece the gold has worn off in quite a few places leaving it still looking pretty but it's difficult to see the flowers on the pattern on mine because it is worn.
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Booklands, to photograph use a dark background, this will help to show the iridescence. A black bit of cloth or clothing can work well, you can always hold the camera on a box or a few books to keep it steady. Maybe try with and without flash but flash is often harsh.
John
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Will try another photo on Sunday. I'm not using flash but note the comment about dark background and lighting so will try again. You are right about the gold lines, they have worn off in places mainly around the middle of the vase where it is pick up ? - oil from hands degrades it?
Regards
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Sometimes, laying the piece on a white towel (for safety and security) and photographing it from the different light angles you can get then, will bring a surface pattern out better.
You just need to remember to turn the photo afterwards, if it's sideways or upside-down ;)
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Thanks for sticking with this, folks. :)
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the decor on this one is very subtle - possibly faded,difficult to tell
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/118335-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-etching-ink
and this one is marked with the number in gold on the base
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/108276-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-ca-1901-pa
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Here we go, these should be better but I lose some quality resizing. Background makes a big difference - thanks for that.
Booklands
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Kev, I think you might just have to go with me on this one :)
Booklands thank you - they are better but out of focus it's very difficult to see the detail of the pattern. Unfortunately it also makes the the iridescence look very 'hard' and patchy which I don't believe it is :)
Kev, if you take op's most recent pictures and the middle one of those and then compare it to the vase on the left hand side in this one,
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/101546-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-ca-1908
it has the best comparison - And you can see where the vase in the CW post goes purply at the bottom but the owner has managed to shoot it so that the reflective glare is minimised and the purple effect is minimised.
I am ready to admit I could be wrong and it could be a 'new' version of a 100 year old pattern. But I just don't think so on this one. I think it's right. We've just not quite got the perfect photos yet and I don't have the book to compare pattern shapes unfortunately.
This is also a very good example of how a picture can paint a thousand words - Op's pics of the vase in the last post make it look a) a completely different shape at the top than previous posts and b) a completely different decor and colour
m
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Ok - taking account of very rubbed decoration and the very strong similarity of basic elements of the patterning, I have added an ID to the thread title.
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Thank you all for your help on this and in particular flying free. I'm delighted to know the source, its part of the fun in collecting glass. I will do some more research on the factory as it sounds really interesting.
Regards
Booklands