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Title: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: eshearm on October 04, 2015, 08:59:36 AM

Hi is this glass vase Swedish or anyone have any other thought?

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: flying free on October 04, 2015, 09:30:37 AM

Hello

Your vase appears to have
- a very large polished pontil mark
- lots of wear to the base
- many applied lilypads or peacock eye trails 
- In addition to the peacock eye trails with sideways curved downward stems it also has applied prunts

I think it might be English perhaps.

Could I ask if you could re post new pictures, with it set side on against a plain white background. Could you take two or so pictures so the design can be clearly seen please?

Could you also list the dimensions of the vase, height, width at base and width at rim - it might be exact in terms of imperial inches measurements.  That would also help determine which country.
Adding centimetre converted measurements would also help just in case.

Thanks so much.  It might help with an answer to the maker eventually and also with future research into Peacock eye trailed vases produced here in the uk.

m

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: eshearm on October 04, 2015, 09:42:01 AM

Thank you for that info, I have had this such a long time and love it just thought I should find out more about it! Pics as requested, hope they are ok?

Em

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: flying free on October 04, 2015, 09:57:09 AM

Perfect pictures thanks :)

could you add dimensions please?
And could you add the weight?

There are a number of possible makers - three particularly from England is my thought. Stevens and Williams would be my first thought given the thickness of the glass, the shape (can't tell you why or give you a match for that though, just what sprung to mind for some reason) and the peacock eye trails design and the size of the polished pontil mark.  But the prunts are unusual.
Pinning it down is going to be difficult though :)
m

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: eshearm on October 04, 2015, 10:08:03 AM

THANK YOU IT WEI8GHTS 1.250 KG ABOUT 2.5LBS. AND MEASURES 7.5" / 19CMS cms tall

Em

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: eshearm on October 08, 2015, 06:21:05 AM

Hi M

You said this could be one of three glass makers who were the other two you were thinking of?
Kind regards Emma

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase? Peacock eye trails prunts lilypads
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2015, 11:09:10 AM

Thomas Webb or Stuart were the other two, but with that very large polished pontil mark my own first thought would be Stevens and Williams.
I could be way off but that would be my first port of call.
However, the only book that might shed light on this would be Charles Hajdamach's 20th Century British Glass and even then,no guarantee you will find it in there.  And short of going to look at the pattern books at Dudley, it's unlikely you will get a definitive id unless you can find a Stevens and Williams shape match in another decor.

Sorry, Stevens and Williams is a pita to try and identify precisely unless you have access to the pattern books. 

I hope you don't mind but could I ask a moderator to add 'Peacock eye trails & prunts & lilypads' to your header please.  I've added it to my reply here because I can see them on your vase

m

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: Ivo on October 08, 2015, 01:39:55 PM

Almost identical to Tiroler Glashütte Kramsach, 1924, design Wolfgang von Wersin.  The difference it has a folded rim, while yours seems to be tooled. In any case, it is quite possible nay likely that TGK made various versions of this design.

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: eshearm on October 08, 2015, 02:06:59 PM

happy for moderator to add anything.

If they likely copied it may very well be it was in a book or catalog at some point....intriguing!!?? 

Thank you guys will keep digging.  Do you have a picture f the similar vase as I do not seem to be able to trace on line

Kindests

em

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2015, 02:18:25 PM

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Tiroler+Glash%C3%BCtte+Kramsach+wolfgang+von+wersin&espv=2&biw=1517&bih=741&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIwsSYlYuzyAIVAR4UCh3qqgRx&dpr=0.9#tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACSW9Iy8-7jVGIjBPwxnvykI6B_1Z7PphE-q7mESNl5KmP-sU48_1NJV-kRaqTy66fIuwrgE9gR0-BMwC8qEglPwxnvykI6BxFhWTAnRmOk1SoSCfZ7PphE-q7mEQBwcjLA_1vhhKhIJESNl5KmP-sURi3USN4hhWUUqEgk48_1NJV-kRahHLTvnbYZ64-ioSCaTy66fIuwrgEfWZcTMTsOXuKhIJE9gR0-BMwC8RcnP4SzinxEU&q=%20wolfgang%20von%20wersin&imgrc=E9gR0-BMwC8jaM%3A

yikes - long search link but that should throw up some examples.

However Ivo, does the WvW example you have seen have the tooled prunts and applied lily pads / peacock eye trails?

And would it have had a large polished pontil mark?
m

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: Ivo on October 08, 2015, 03:38:08 PM

@ em copied?
@ m no info on pontil treatment in description. Other Kramsach pieces I have seen did have a wide polished pontil.
    Tooled prunts etc yes the body is the same, just the neck. Its in the Von Wersin book, page 213.

Title: Re: Is this a lobed swedish art glass vase?
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2015, 04:02:07 PM

oooh fascinating Ivo - thanks so much.
I have looked at ~WvW stuff many times before because I thought that might be the designer of a lampbase I own.  But I've never found a link.

So if all the body is the same just the neck being different then most likely the same maker just a variation?
m