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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on November 08, 2015, 03:38:27 PM
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small bowl, thick enameled scrolls, fine floral decoration, gold accents, curled feet, cut and gilded rim.
to me that whispers "Harrach" but I'm holding out until M. sees this....
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Someone has enamelled it with great loving care to put in all those enamel dots in the netting. The netting design reminds me of those engraved or gilded armorial shield pieces.
The Harrach book has nothing in it like it at all in terms of the overall piece, but for the individual elements I didn't scan closely for the little roses.
Re the scroll feet - Truitts has one piece in (not at all the same as yours, it's cranberry with colored leaves enamelled on it - the kind of thing always described as Moser iykwim?) with 4 gilded scroll feet, a short vase under unidentified and they've said Novy Bor 1920.
But I think yours could be earlier than that by quite a bit perhaps? Do you?
The combination of the roses and leaves and then the little dot flowers reminds me a bit of the enamelling on the 1840s and 50s pieces.
See page 211 Das Bohmische Glas 11.317 parfumflakon.
I can't really find anything similar at all. I'm sure it's Bohemian because of the enamelling and style.
It feels in terms of design that it would be about 1870s/1880s doesn't it? It has that layout of design that you often see on gilded enamelled plates sold as 'moser'
But the enamelling is very similar to earlier pieces.
I'll keep looking
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The time frame 1870s is what I had in mind seeing the quality of enameling and the dots. And I do recognise the scroll feet as generic Bohemian; I have a piece on gilded feet of similar construction from the 1870s but I know the technique did not die out and is probably still used today..
I' ll keep searching too, it is a great little piece and it is entitled to an attribution. Come thinking of it, even LaGranja have done things like this. I will not be near my books for a the next few months...
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Ivo, take a quick look at the blue piece I've just posted :) I'm going to ask for it to be removed.
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Sorry, meant to say, I will keep looking. I'm sure yours is Bohemian because of that yellow grey green matt leaves enamel.
I'll post if I find anything.
And I was thinking also take a look at Mulhaus - they used the white enamels
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The roses and leaves have some similarities with those on a milchglas cup with handle - Neuwelt book page 62 1784-1788.
The rococo device was used in gilding around that era as well. The tin glaze enamel on yours looks old.
I know all these styles have revival periods as well, but does the net effect and it being enamelled on clear glass with those little feet more or less preclude it from being that old really though?
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Check out Henrik Giergl Budapest 1880-1890 - there is a decanter in the museum with the white enamel on it. It has the netting and the little white dots in between each cross of the netting.
Also some rococo scrolls
http://gyujtemeny.imm.hu/web/kozep/1146_FK_0025.jpg
That link doesn't show it very well but I found a further photo that does and all the enamelling is the tin glazed white enamel
no flowers but I have seen those flowers on Hungarian glass I think.
I have sent you an email
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Just gogle imaged Giergl Henrik and he does have some of the same techniques - even if I do not see any tiny tiny roses. What I am also missing is the clear rococo lineage of rocailles and gold. When you google 'rococo white gold' you get a ton of furniture in this style -but surprisingly no glass.
The closest thing still seems to be Moser or Lobmeyer. I will search further...
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The email I sent you has the link on with a clear picture of this showing it is all white enamel and with the dots in the centre of each of the net crosses.
Did you get the email? and Yes I see what you mean about the rocailles.
I think I had his name back to front and it is Henrik Giergl
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Yes I did get the mail, and saw the item. In fact, I remember seeing a lot of Giergl when I was in Budapest back in twothousandoatcakes, and saw the decanter in question. But that is as far as it goes, not having a photographic memory. I think your first reaction was the best: Bohemian. I will keep looking in that direction.
Thank you for the hints and directions. You are a stunningly good researcher.
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Meyr's Neffe and Julius Muhlhaus used a lot of white enamel but I've only seen fairly late on 19th c. pieces. Perhaps they were using it more prolifically earlier but there are just no pictures of those items?
Also I'm still a little bit wondering if it might be earlier than we are discussing? (or maybe not, because of the feet? dithering as I don't know. Will need to find some early scroll feet pieces to decide)
Truitt's show on page 49 a Goldberg decorated ruby vase with rococo decoration and a couple in white (him in white tights and long jacket type thing) No net and the rococo scrolls are random rather than symmetrical. Dates to around 1920's 30's I think as it's on the a page with others from that period. I guess that would be rococo revival.
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Enamel scrolls: the sequel...
From the same source, here is an enameled coal bucket with gilding and white enamel scrolls over a ruby flashed body. The handle is made bottom to top, itis clearly old (there is some light natural iridescence to the piece) and it is further decorated with tiny ruby beads. The size is about 2 to3 "
Does it open new avenues?
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http://gyujtemeny.imm.hu/web/kozep/1144_KA.jpg
Henrik Giergl company 1880-1890
have emailed you the link to the page.
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another thought just occurred to me - Josephinenhutte? I don't know anything about them though. Just came across a couple of pieces that made me wonder about your bowl.
Their glass was quite feminine.
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Ivo this piece has some similarities.
Just posting it in case it helps at some point.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Late-Victorian-small-enamed-bohemian-trefoil-glass-dish-/112136157847?hash=item1a1bd5fa97:g:AkcAAOSw65FXqLWX
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