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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on November 09, 2015, 02:53:45 PM
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I have permission to use this pic
It's 9cm tall and I think the neck is supposed to be like that (i.e. tapered in and not missing a lip, as I've seen another flakon like that but not from this era) but it might not be - I've not received it yet so can't tell conclusively.
It's cut all over with those brutalist knops that stick out like shoulder pads ;D
It is remarkably similar in shape to a piece in Das Bohmische Glas Band II page 56 which is a Flakon 'Wohl Sudbohmen, Buquoysche Glashutten Georgenthal oder Silberberg 1830-1840 (height 9.8cm also no stopper) But can't add pic to show and can't find a pic of it anywhere on the net unfortunately. There is absolutely nothing in any other books of mine that is similar in shape at all.
There is nothing in the Harrach book to match shape, colour and glass although the actual glass translucency does remind me of the translucency of the green Harrach Chrysoprase opaline glass.
The seller volunteered the information that I needed to see this myself to view the glass as it's cloudy glass.
It looks like it has the translucency of the early white alabaster opaline glass Bohemian bechers iykwim? It's translucent and definitely not transparent glass but it's also not opaque opaline type either.
I'm in love with this colour - so unique,not cobalt, not turquoise (very like my large blue Etruscan vase), made at a time when if my memory serves me well, I think I read that they were experimenting with blue glass and other colours and the blues were all different for each factory (i.e. not a bought in colour)
What do you think? I'm pretty sure it's Buquoy'sche Glashutte c. 1830's.
I can't wait for it to arrive. I also bought a small piece of Annagelb enamelled early glass - I'll post that separately. That was a very exciting buy as I've been desperate for a piece but could not afford the hundreds for a becher.
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meant to say in the my blurb that the piece it's remarkably similar to is a hyalith flakon.
This is the kind of see through opaline glass I was referring to above when I said white translucent:
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/kataloge/online-kataloge/237-europaeisches-glas-studioglas.html?kategorie=102&artikel=51231&L=&cHash=6bee94dbe5
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I think it could be Riedl, circa 1840-1860. I have one of his early annagruen (i would have used the umlaut but windows does not allow this) Ranftbecher and it has the same foot.
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ok Ivo, thanks - I will investigate a bit more on that front.
The shape is v. similar to the Buquoy shape though.
Have you seen this wonderful information on the development of new blue glass colours and blue opalines?
http://www.glas-forschung.info/pageone/pdf/farbglas.pdf
Scroll down to this chapter
'Blaue und grüne Kupfergläser'
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Ivo, did you mean the petalled edge foot, or the cutting of the bottom of the foot?
or did you mean it has the same stem and merese where it joins the foot?
The petal rim and cross cut foot is quite common I think.
The merese and how it joins the foot is quite uncommon.
As is the 'shoulder' shape of the piece. In fact I have only ever seen that on Hyalith/Lithyalin glass.
The Buquoy is not joined in exactly the same way and the foot is round, but it has the merese and has the faceted stem as well as the cut knoppy shoulders. It's very similar.
Also, looking at the book there are two flakons in Metallstandern also the same 'Probably Buquoysche Glashutten' and they have the same up and down triangular cutting around the collars on their necks in three rings (they have very tall necks). I'm pretty convinced my bottle is the same.
Am investigating Riedel as we speak :)
Oooh, I've just found a photo of the piece in the DBG band II - unfortunately it's been cut off at the foot but you can see the shoulder knop details. The two other pieces in the metal mounted stands are unfortunately not in this photograph but they are identical cutting to my piece.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MsOYTBXCHhY/TXnP76Z-oXI/AAAAAAAAB-8/RNE14sI6Lzs/s1600/100_7486.jpg
It's the piece on the very bottom left of this photograph.
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Bravo and another one bites the dust.
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I know ;D I can't begin to tell you how ridiculously happy I am to have this piece.
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some references - I can't find a picture of the two flakons in the metal stands
however these pictures are from an exhibition held in 2001 on Buquoy.
Obįlka (2001) publikace k vżstavě v pra˛ském Uměleckoprůmyslovém muzeu
If you scroll down the link below (you have to scroll quite far and then the first coloured picture of glass is below a map)
it shows the book Buquoy Glass in Bohemia
On the right there are some photos of Buquoy glass - the red piece has exactly the same cutting on the collar and merese as that on my blue flakon collar. The white piece is actually faceted around the body (I think) and has similarities at the foot and also with the translucency of the glass - i.e. translucent opaline glass :)
http://www.kohoutikriz.org/priloha/buqug.php
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It's not agatin opal glas - it's transparent glass, however it is so thick that it doesn't really look transparent - hard to explain.
I've not time to add new pictures this evening but will do once I get a moment to take some close ups of the cutting etc.
It's the most stunning colour. I've honestly never seen anything like it even in becher form where most often you can see or find something in most of the varieties of decor.
The new Annagelb piece is gorgeous with enamelling and rocaille and gilding and blue enamelled 'jewels' - very happy with my presents to myself :)
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Hope this link works - I'd wondered a bit about the neck of the little blue flakon, because it doesn't have a collar or out-standing rim if you see what I mean.
A few days ago I came across a lamp from the period with a similar straight up neck. Can't find the link now but will add it if I find it. Actually it was a photo of a white alabaster lamp in the book Farbenglas 1 Waltraud Neuwirth - it too has the straight up, slightly tapered inward, neck with no rim. It's a little bottle with a separate lid like a little cup and described as a 'perfume lamp' by 'Joh.Cassel, Vienna, prior to 1843'. The foot of the perfume lamp is petal cut but more petals and the body is panel cut, so not like my bottle in design other than those two features.
In the meantime, I also came across these Riedel pieces from Franz Xaver Riedel 1786-1844 on their site and the little bottle on the left has the same type of neck, so presumably it was 'typical' of that time:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61460.0;attach=183571;image
http://www.riedel.com/history/generations/franz-xaver-riedel-5th/
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this is a photo of the Joh. Cassel, Wien perfume lamp shown in the book Farbenglas 1 (Neuwirth)
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/glass-fragrance-lamp-in-engraved-alabaster-high-res-stock-photography/159625168
There are similarities with my little blue bottle in the neck design and shape, the petal cut foot and also the merese that forms under the curved panel cut body, which is similar to the design of the lamp cup.
The design of the perfume bottle on the right in clear glass appears to show how the bottles would have a wick to work as a perfume lamp.
In the book the one on the left, the white alabaster lamp, has a clear glass insert with a ridge on it so it sits on the rim of the bottle and a small clear glass presumably hollow tube, along with a wick. I presume the clear glass tube is threaded through the wick and the whole thing sits inside the clear glass insert with the tube enabling the perfume to be drawn up into the wick (or some idea similar).
To add:
The book says on page 275 'It is fairly certain that Cassel did not make the glass himself, but merely used it for these lamps.'
My point being that it is possible my little piece might be a perfume lamp perhaps and also that there are similarities in design with the white one shown from Joh. Cassel.
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So far I have these links associating this piece with Buquoy glass and as being from the early 1800s:
Shape comparison:
1) ' I've just found a photo of the piece in the DBG band II - unfortunately it's been cut off at the foot but you can see the shoulder knop details. The two other pieces in the metal mounted stands are unfortunately not in this photograph but they are identical cutting to my piece.'
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MsOYTBXCHhY/TXnP76Z-oXI/AAAAAAAAB-8/RNE14sI6Lzs/s1600/100_7486.jpg
It's the piece on the very bottom left of this photograph.'
Shape comparison:
2) ' this is a photo of the Joh. Cassel, Wien perfume lamp shown in the book Farbenglas 1 (Neuwirth)
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/glass-fragrance-lamp-in-engraved-alabaster-high-res-stock-photography/159625168
There are similarities with my little blue bottle in the neck design and shape, the petal cut foot and also the merese that forms under the curved panel cut body, which is similar to the design of the lamp cup.
The design of the perfume bottle on the right in clear glass appears to show how the bottles would ave a wick to work as a perfume lamp.
Shape and date comparison:
3) In the meantime, I also came across these Riedel pieces from Franz Xaver Riedel 1786-1844 on their site and the little bottle on the left has the same type of neck, so presumably it was 'typical' of that time:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61460.0;attach=183571;image
http://www.riedel.com/history/generations/franz-xaver-riedel-5th/
To add to this, I received a new book today 'Farbenglas . II', Dr. Walthraud Neuwirth, 1998
- Colour and date comparison:
4) i) Page 74 and 75 pictures three items in 'sapphire blue glass'. I am pretty certain that the colour of my bottle is the same as what is pictured, i.e. my bottle is 'sapphire blue glass'.
They are all dated as 'before 1837'. They came to the Technisches Museum Wien from two different sources. One source is just listed as ‘… (Inventory: ‘from Annaberg, Bohemia’).
So, I think this confirms:
- the colour as ‘sapphire blue’ and
- the date as possibly ‘before 1837’
And furthermore, there is confirmation that Buquoy made sapphire blue glass.
ii) On page 73 there is confirmation of Buquoy showing sapphire blue glass at exhibitions:
‘Buquoy in Silberberg and Georgenthal showed objects in Vienna in 1835 in “cornflower=,turquoise= and sapphire blue glass” (Neuwirth, Color in Glass I, 1993, p. 14), and of ….’