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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne E.B. on July 01, 2006, 09:45:41 PM
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This is a really weird angular shaped piece of glass that I came across today - so odd, that I had to have it :roll: .
It most likely is an ashtray, as there is a recess of sorts at both ends. Quite a big piece being 9" long. The shape is unlike anything I've ever seen before. Neodymium glass - pale amethyst and greeny/blue in different light. It doesn't strike me as being Murano and I thought may be Czech or even Scandinavian. What does anyone think?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/mdina065.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/mdina066.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/mdina064.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/mdina067.jpg
Any ideas would be most welcome :P
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Very nice Anne! I actually have its twin: a clear one measuring 7" (18cm) long. I always took it to be Czech but it was one (of many :wink: ) that I was hoping to get Marcus to ID in time.
I do like it in Neodymium 8)
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Ive always personally tended to a ZBS attribution for these, ZeleznoBrodske Sklo. Best known other Cz maker of neo-dymium glass.
Not Moser.
regards,
Marcus
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I should qualify mine as being the triangular cousin (not the twin) of Anne's :wink:
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10058/thumb_clear-cut-ashtray01.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2466)
Many thanks for your advice Marcus!
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Thank you Marcus as always (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/049.gif) I've added it to my collection of 'chunky' Czech glass.
Your clear one is pretty cool too David 8) Too nice to ever use as ashtrays. Ashtrays seem so non P.C. these days. May be I should start buying them in the hope that they will become very collectable one day.
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Thank you for the acknowledgement.
My own comment, as a thirty a day man, life is short, and me, I'm as frenetic a Gemini, as you could not wish to meet... How Hilary puts up with me????
Yet without smokers, ashtrays such as these would not have been made, without sweet-meat eaters, bonbonnieres, sucriers would have been superfluous, lose the drinker, lose the wineglasses, rummers, decanters et al.
If the world were full of pollen-sensitive people, lose the vases, solifleurs....
P.C.??? A British policeman.
PC??? Politically Correct.
Un-PC, oh that will be me then. :lol:
Regards,
Marcus
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One for you Marcus :cough: :lol:
http://www.abramgamesposters.com/Images/M98.JPG
Poster by Abram Games - very un-PC nowadays!
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Marcus and David - thought you'd like to see the two together. Definitely 'cousins' David :P They're really sculptural!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Czech016.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Czech006.jpg
A big thanks David and to you too Marcus. (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1356.gif)
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Glad to see them together and they really do look a good match. Agreed: very close relatives! :)
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If you'd like to see some amazing ashtrays in Carnival Glass, made in South America, they're here (graphics intensive page warning :shock: )
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/southamerica.html
There are some phenomenal (rare and beautiful) pieces in Carnival that are the product of smoking. Humidors, ashtrays and cuspidors (though the latter were also a response to the numbers of people suffering from TB).
Glen
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Thank you Glen - that's really fascinating! The ashtrays are lovely - the beetle one in particular :P I hope there is some sort of preservation order on the building. The stone murals are amazing works of narrative art.
Thanks for sharing 8)
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Thanks for sharing that Glen - some great ashtrays :D
I've never really understand people's objections to collecting ashtrays – I suppose, as Marcus mentions, it's the non-PC aspect, but heck: they're just dishes with lips on them!
I sincerely hope they preserve those stone relief carvings on that building! :? :shock: (heck, I was just typing that when Anne's message popped up!)
For more 'Art in Glass' there's some excellent work by Mervyn Peake (author of Gormenghast and Titus Groan):
http://www.mervynpeake.org/artist.html ... sadly the link to the Imperial War Museum doesn't reveal much (it used to!)
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I wonder how old that link is David? There's an interesting painting "currently on show at the Manchester Art Gallery" of a glassblower at Chance Bros. He looks almost like a matador. Wouldn't mind going to see it if its still there :P
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To be honest, while a very productive artist, I think he only ever did paintings at Chance. There are quite a few in this series, but the Imperial War museum link isn't very productive now, sadly.
The dynamism you get from these paintings is quite remarkable and your analogy with a matador is very apt :wink:
Hmm, wonder what drew me to that link in the first place... :roll:
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Another of Peake's work at Chance:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/artwar/artworks/ld_2851_glass-blowers_e.html
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Hmm, wonder what drew me to that link in the first place... :roll:
A link to this site which I sent you along with one to Mervyn Peake's website and a load of other Chance links, David. ;) http://www.awm.gov.au/sharedexperience/enlarge.asp?cat=2&painting=2 (http://www.awm.gov.au/sharedexperience/enlarge.asp?cat=2&painting=2)
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Thanks Anne! You sent me so many links I couldn't remember where I'd seen it before :wink: Anyway, we're off-topic.... :oops:
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Anne, Anne E.B., and David - thank you so much for the links to the Peake paintings. I don't know what I was expecting, I wasn't itching with anticipation, but when I saw those paintings I was blown away. They are FANTASTIC. Amazing, incredible, superb.
Thank you SO much for posting those links.
Thank you, too, for your kind words about the Argentinian ashtrays and the amazing facade on the building. My understanding is that the work on the structures is conserved and looked after.
Thanks again for showing me those paintings.
Glen
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Glad you liked them Glen - fantastically fluid in the way Peake has presented them!
It might be an idea to start a Café thread about 'artwork representing glass' where anything goes: except glass! I'm sure this would bring up some real gems 8)
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Don't worry about being off topic....I think we are right on the topic of glass. I am so grateful to you for showing me those paintings. It's made me realise something about glass workers that I hadn't realised before. It's actually a revelation - and I'm a little shocked that I hadn't "seen" it before. I think I did, in a way, but didn't quite understand what I was seeing (if that makes sense :oops: ).
Glen
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Just while I'm on about ashtrays - any thoughts about this? I presume its an ashtray even though it doesn't have anywhere to rest a cigarette.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/hobnailornailhead008.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/hobnailornailhead010.jpg
I've had this one a long time and have been pulled between Murano or Czech. :roll:
TIA :lol:
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I should qualify mine as being the triangular cousin (not the twin) of Anne's
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10058/thumb_clear-cut-ashtray01.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2466)
Many thanks for your advice Marcus!
Hiya Everyone,
Busily researching makers of neodymium glass when I happened upon this thread. David E, Is this your 'triangular cousin' ?
http://preciosaornela.com/desna-glass_cz/www/products-detail.php?id=147 (http://preciosaornela.com/desna-glass_cz/www/products-detail.php?id=147)
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Hi,
I see that Tanith already has focused you to correct direction - www.desna-glass.cz - store this site.
This piece is from very recent production of Desna - part of Jablonex group (www.jablonexgroup.com). It is in correspondence with Marcus approximation, ZBS was in recent times also part of Jablonex and patterns were shared. My guess is that this piece is made accordint to older Vaclav Hanus design for Jablonecke sklo, but I am not 100% sure.
Jindrich