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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: mitko07 on January 23, 2016, 07:28:55 PM
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Hello Everybody!:)
I need a little help to ID a vase that is a total mystery to me..
It is brown opalescent glass decorated with bird on a tree.
The decoration technique is very unusual which seems to be darker brown glass outlined in light blue, fused to the body of the vase.
The rim is polished and the bottom has an acid mark which is letter R inside circles / with sunburst / Pineapple?:)
It will also be interesting for me to know how is this technique called.
Thanks in advance!
Regards!
Dimi
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PS: Another thing worth mentioning is that the decoration goes around 0.5mm inside the wall of the vase (I can see it where the decoration reaches the rim).
It is not etched, cameo, overlay or enamel but embedded since the surface of the vase is perfectly smooth fire polished.
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gorgeous vase and very interesting technique. Can you show a clear photograph of the rim please?
It would be interesting to see the thickness, the middle (decorated) layer and to see how it is cased on the outside.
Thanks :)
m
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Hello flying free! :) There are two spots where the decoration layer reaches the outer bevelled edge of the rim- this is where I can see the wall as a section.
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Thanks for the further pictures. It really reminds me of this cameo vase marked CMS Krasno. But I have no idea whether there might be a link or not.
http://www.rubylane.com/item/636424-MP000916/CMS-Krasno-cameo-cut-scenic-art
In which country did you purchase the vase? That 'might' help with a possible maker.
m
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Yes, this cameo vase has similar color tones but to my opinion it has nothing else in common.
The main color reminds me of Bristol brown glassware, but the decoration...
I did purchased it in Sweden and at first I thought of Reijmyre - since they have similar R logo and used to produce cameo glass. I don't think it is Reijmyre either. Thanks
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... This is a photograph with the right brown color of the glass taken in daylight.
My camera somehow makes the color greenish under artificial lightning.
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Yes I looked through all the Reijmyre pieces I could find but the logo is different and they seem to be marked/signed.
Hopefully someone will be along shortly who might be able to look up the mark for you.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as Bristol brown - I think many vases attributed in the past as 'bristol' have in fact turned out to be Bohemian.
m
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Yes, there is no such thing as Bristol brown .
Just wanted to give an example of what the color and the thickness of the glass are as a comparison.
Google Bristol brown glass and you will see what I mean. I should have used brown glass "attributed as Bristol" as I wasn't talking about particular piece.
What do you think about the decoration- any idea of how it is applied? :)
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I looks as though it 'could' be cased cameo but I've no idea if that is possible - that is, how would they cut the cameo cold and then reheat to case it in clear glass? So probably not cased cameo but if not, then how did they create the picture?
(I'm not a glassmaker and it all always looks to be a very difficult skill to me.)
m
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I'm not going to pretend I've seen this mark before, but I had a look in the big blue book and on page 443 there's an image of a label from Joseph Riedel that looks similar, but nothing mentioned about a similar acid mark used later on ...
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I think it might also be 'Riedel'
I found this
http://ces.mkcr.cz/cz/img/1/5/6/p73685.jpg
the description says
'Váza, foukané a hutně zdobené sklo, firma Josef Riedel Dolní Polubný, 1920-1930'
m
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I think that's it. Though the vase isn't cameo http://ces.mkcr.cz/cz/img/1/5/6/p73685.jpg
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It's weird isn't it - I wonder if that linked vase is cased with the intercalaire decoration as per the original one on this thread.
m
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I'm sure it is
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Had a look into C. Hartmann GlasmarkenLexikon and took a photo of image # 9070
Josef Riedel, Polaun
'Etikett' is engl. 'label'
Lit. 338 CMRW 1891 means source:
CENTRAL MARKEN REGISTER WIEN, from 1891 onwards
;D
[Mod: Photo of Hartmann book entry removed. Erring on the side of caution, Hartmann "line drawings" might fall under copyright. Therefore board policy has been applied.]
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What can I say... You are absolutely amazing- I consider the ID of the mark solved- thanks so much!:)
It looks identical as color and style of the decoration with http://ces.mkcr.cz/cz/img/1/5/6/p73685.jpg
I was wondering if it is possible for Anne Tique to post a little bit more info on the paper label - like when it was used and a brief description/ scan if possible. It is always good news when another marking is identified :)
Regarding the decoration- At first I thought it is Japanese or Chinese influenced and now that I looked at the one flying free has found I am convinced that it has Chinese influence. Goggle "Chinese clouds" images and you will see the similarity :)
As for the technique used applying the decoration I am still intrigued and maybe someone with glass making experience can give a suggestion.
I don't think it has been etched as cameo and then reheated so that the relief to sink even though it could be possible and makes sense ( I was thinking about it too) . The wall of the vase is too thin for cameo glass and there must be another technique used. Reheating cameo glass to my knowledge is usually done only for light surface polishing. I think reheating it this much will distort the borders of the decoration and probably produce a bulge to the inside. This was decorated still hot but how...:)
Dimi
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I am little bit confused - is it possible for someone to post a short biography of Josef Riedel or some hystory of Josef Riedel , Polaun glass
Thanks
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Had a look into C. Hartmann GlasmarkenLexikon and took a photo of image # 9070
Josef Riedel, Polaun
'Etikett' is engl. 'label'
Lit. 338 CMRW 1891 means source:
CENTRAL MARKEN REGISTER WIEN, from 1891 onwards
;D
Thats a match ! Thanks for your time Pamela!:) is this a sketch of a paper label?
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The label I mentioned is the same illustration Pamela has posted, I wasn't sure I could use it here. The label's dated but again, nothing mentioned about the acid version of this mark, unfortunately.
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Crossed while posting my last message... ;D
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Reheating cameo glass to my knowledge is usually done only for light surface polishing. I think reheating it this much will distort the borders of the decoration and probably produce a bulge to the inside. This was decorated still hot but how...:)
Reheating cameo work is also part of the technique for graal glass in which the cameo, after reheating, is covered by a layer of clear glass before finishing. But the vase discussed does not seem to be graal as there appears to be no obvious clear coating covering the cameo part.
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Dimi, photo of this mark was taken from this book (http://www.arnoldsche.com/Sammlerliteratur/Markenlexika/GLASMARKEN-LEXIKON.html) - a truly amazing work of art: exact sketches of thousands of glass markings, labels and signatures - and neither images of markings nor photos of glasses representing the names.
Impossible to post a short biography - 200+ years of glassmaking (and other industry), plenty of generations all named Josef Riedel and several plants in different places in Bohemia until 1945.
Polaun is German transcription of Polubný
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200+ years of glassmaking (and other industry), plenty of generations all named Josef Riedel and several plants in different places in Bohemia until 1945.
This is what confused me for a moment.:)
Nice book and probably a great tool- it is probably time to get me one.
Thanks Pamela!
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Before you buy - here is C. Hartmann's corresponding website (https://www.glasmarken-lexikon.de/marken.php) with much more since first edition of the book. However, annual subscription against payment is necessary.
I did not subscribe because I prefer free access pages like my own www.pressglas-pavillon.de and www.glas-musterbuch.de :P ;D
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Anne and Kevin, it's fine to delete my photo of that Riedel label, - thank you!
Here's a link to Riedel's 'pineapple' mark (https://www.glasmarken-lexikon.de/marken.php?k=Buchstaben+mit+Umrahmung%3Bim+Kreis+%28A-Z%29&b=R) - please scroll down to 5th line far right.
:D