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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Frank on March 19, 2004, 11:38:49 AM
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A number of weights have appeared on eBay with an attribution to Frank Eisner and often described as Monart. These are certainly not Monart paperweights - Monart was made only by the Ysart's. The attribution to Frank Eisner is either hearsay or based on some weights shown in the book "Scottish Paperweights" by Bob Hall (Page 53). It should be noted that these give a 30's attribution based on the UV reaction being similar to that of Monart paperweights of the period.
However, I am informed by former Moncrieff director Colin Mayor, that no-one but the Ysart's had access to the glass used for Monart weights. Frigger weights made by others, including Frank Eisner, would have been made using Monax or MS1 glass.
There is no proof that Frank Eisner worked at Moncrieff - his son Eric Eisner was factory manager in 1962. Eric Eisner had joined Moncrieffs as a chemist having previously worked in that capacity for GTC glassworks in Newcastle. He subsequently filled different positions within the Moncrieff including M.D. up until the company's acquisition by Reed Building Products.
Colin also told me that Frank who was retired did go into the works on Saturday's and made weights using Monax glass. circa 1962. He set up the flowers and another glassmaker would complete the weight for him.
However, most of these failed in the annealing. While Frank Eisner was attributed as the maker of some paperweights in Bob Hall's Scottish Paperweights (Under Vasart incidentally!!) but even that is based on hearsay. In any event, any weights he made were 'friggers' made in his spare time and not production items. Obviously the trade love to attribute any similar weight to those shown in Bob Hall's book as having an Ysart connection. Frigger weights have novelty value only unless they can be given an accurate attribution and were produced in serious quantities. The recent batches of so called Eisner weights could have been made by anyone.
Six weights with an attribution to Frank Eisner are known and maybe he did work at Moncrieff. The likelihood of him having made weights alongside the Ysart's is very low and would be completely out of character for the Ysart men to allow that.
In summary:
[*]Frank Eisner may have worked at Moncrieff - still to be proven.
[*]Any weights made at Moncrieff by Eisner are friggers and not Monart.
[*]It is unlikely he would have had access to the glass used by the Ysart's for their weights.
[*]All evidence to date is hearsay.
[*]More research is needed.
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Moved this here from my forum, with another one sold on eBay as Eisner (It is not) it awakens the theme.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7326030078
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Hi,
For information, the one in the link that Frank provided is, I think, a Murano item but could possibly be Czech / German. It certainly looks nothing like the "Eisner" "Upright Flower" weights shown in Bob Hall's book (or even the ones lying around my floor, for that matter).
But one of my examples has an interesting cane or two embedded in the usual thin and "pointed" ground. I'll be mentioning this at the Ysart etc Conference in August :!:
For now I will say that Frank is absolutley correct in saying that such weights are not "Monart".
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Looking for something else, came across this again - just for the record Frank Eisner retired to Perth and was never employed at Moncrieff's but did dabble on Saturday's.
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At one time I owned a Spitfire Paperweight that was signed on the bottom "Frank Eisner, Leughton, 1944". You can see a picture at the link below:
http://paperweights.com/pw1934.jpg (http://paperweights.com/pw1934.jpg)
I know it doesn't prove he made it, as it may have been made for him.
Allan
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I don't doubt he made that one but you misread the place which is Lemington, Jobling's glass works. Both Eric and Frank worked there.
From Jobling's 1958 house journal:
About the year 1930, Frank Eisner and Joe Marrovic joined the company as our first continental glassblowers, this was indeed progress.
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Just for a bit more info (and confusion):
The Spitfire weights (a few others are known - and I think at least one other is signed "F Eisner") have been one source of specualtion about whether Frank Eisner may have been at Moncrieff's and possible knew, or even worked with, the Ysart men. It is known that Paul Ysart made lampworked Spitfire's in the 1940s, but I don't think there is any evidence that he encased any in weights. If that is true, then there could be many possibilities as to how Frank Eisner obtained the Spitfires, including the idea that he got them from somebody else who may have had contact with Paul Ysart. And, on the little evidence we have, there is also a possibility that some of the weights were not made until long after the production of the lampwork Spitfires.
Lots of guessing, not much factual evidence!
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Eric was not in Perth until c1960 and Frank was in Ireland after Lemington from c1950.
Possible point of contact would have been at the SGT meetings which Paul certainly attended and Frank possibly attended - needs someone in Sheffield to go through the records of meetings. Eric Eisner as a chemist was more likely to attend the SGT meetings.
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got this one ... it measures just over 3" across and 2.5" high.. flat polished base.. there is a slightly distorted Multi-Cane Surround nesting on the ground, it looks better from looking up from the base.. but no chance off a photo, not UV it as yet as i cant find my lamp.... forgot to say it also has green aventurine dotted around the weight
click image
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/th_Multi-CaneSurround.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/?action=view¤t=Multi-CaneSurround.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/th_Picture003-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/?action=view¤t=Picture003-1.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/th_Picture002-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/?action=view¤t=Picture002-1.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/th_Picture001-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/pirelli%20glass/?action=view¤t=Picture001-1.jpg)
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kevin - " or even the ones lying around my floor " should i make my glass cabinets redundant??? ;D
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should i make my glass cabinets redundant??? ;D
They are certainly redundant to me!!
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I am now reminded that back in June 2005 I made this comment:
But one of my examples has an interesting cane or two embedded in the usual thin and "pointed" ground. I'll be mentioning this at the Ysart etc Conference in August :!:
And then, as far as I recalll, I never said anything mnore about it, other than to the conference attendees.
So here's a late update ...
The weight I mentioned was the one on the left in this slide (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11862).
Note that it has similar internal shape and colouring to Ray's weight recently shown.
It contains a few (part) canes which can be matched to Paul Ysart ones.
Here is a slide showing a couple of canes that can be matched (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11861).
And a third slide for another cane (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11860).
Ray's has green aventurine. Mine has gold aventurine. I don't know the truth about these weights or what the cane matches really mean. But perhaps Ray's part canes are also Ysart ones??