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Title: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 01, 2016, 12:03:39 PM
I have speaking to Alfred Sammut who worked at Mdina in the early 1970s and he answered a question that I have been wondering about for ages. I have always noticed that the 'clear' glass or casing of early pieces has a greeny tone and is often full of tiny bubbles. Alfred has now cleared this one up by letting us know that they used to re-melt old milk bottles for their clear glass.
So the crizzle stones, fish vases etc are recycled milk bottles :)
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 01, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
 :) :) :)
How wonderful to know!
I'm big on recycling; this makes things far more interesting and valuable to me.  ;D 8) ;D

I was aware they had trouble sourcing cullet and had to make do with inferior quality stuff, but knowing exactly what was used is just brilliant.
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 01, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Hi,
 Another question answered, thanks for posting it here WhatHo...........

I think maybe it was a stroke of genius that led Harris to use it in his pieces, what better than something that has the geenish tone of WATER and also includes BUBBLES.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 01, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Nice thought Patrick :)
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 01, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
Labino had used marbles in his first small pots, (the origin of the Studio Glass Movement) which was what he had found worked for melting small batches.
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 01, 2016, 05:24:24 PM
Interesting stuff , I hope you can persuade Alfred to join Glassmessages Wolfie. he is a font of knowledge and very passionate about glass .
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: glassobsessed on February 01, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
Just confirming when held up to light that green tinge is visible in all of the following, with the small sidestripe in the last photo it is almost blue.

John
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: glassobsessed on February 01, 2016, 05:45:40 PM
I noticed that the green tinge is absent from this lollipop.
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 01, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
I think maybe it was a stroke of genius that led Harris to use it in his pieces, what better than something that has the geenish tone of WATER and also includes BUBBLES.  :) :) :)

Well my theory has just been blown out of the WATER because Alfred just told me that "Harris and Boffo were not happy with the rubbish glass"......

He was not sure when they stopped using the bottle glass ( maybe that was after he left ) but he mentioned the bottles were replaced with cartons .

The bottle glass also had the addition of glass used for chemistry bottles, very fine.

Alfred tells me he will join the group so hopefully you will have answers ' Straight from the horse's mouth'
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 01, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
Lovely pieces John :)
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 01:05:33 PM
Yes some superb pieces John,

Here is my contribution to the early colouration..........
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 02, 2016, 06:32:11 PM
It would be very interesting to know when the greeny milk bottle glass finished. Apparently they eventually they went from glass milk bottles to cartons, it would very interesting to see the latest date in green casing. This might help us date Mdina pieces? The latest date I have seen so far is 1977.
Can anyone find a date later than that?
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: glassobsessed on February 02, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
It may not be as simple as we would like. There could have been many different sources for the materials, with varying composition, let alone a given supplier varying there own product.

That lollipop vase without a tinge is signed by Harris so it dates to 72 or earlier. Could they have had more than one quality of clear glass in use at the same time?
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 08:44:21 PM

That lollipop vase without a tinge is signed by Harris so it dates to 72 or earlier. Could they have had more than one quality of clear glass in use at the same time?

Hi John,

I just had this message from Alfred .......

"there was 2 with clear glass.. one was mix with bottles and other one was more perfect."

That answers the question I think .

Cheers,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 08:47:46 PM
So maybe the green tint glass was part of the design/finish.... ?
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 02, 2016, 09:00:22 PM
More likely for financial reasons?
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: WhatHo! on February 02, 2016, 09:13:10 PM
But the green glass did stop at some point, I wonder when that was?
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
More likely for financial reasons?

Alfred is reading this and is happy for me to share his comments............

"Yes it was financially. . So Mr Boffo and Mr Harris only use the best. Of course"

"I remember  once i said i don't  care i am going to use the best clear. And i did some time using it.. but Boffo caught  me and hahaa he was angry"

"And like a little child he told Mr Dobson..  i remember  Mr Dobson whenn Boffo told him he was smiling"
Title: Re: Early Mdina greeny bubbley glass/casing
Post by: glassobsessed on February 08, 2016, 06:03:52 PM
Nothing like information from someone who has first hand knowledge.

Thanks Alfred. 8)

John