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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Alsretro on February 04, 2016, 07:48:24 PM

Title: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza. ID = Czech
Post by: Alsretro on February 04, 2016, 07:48:24 PM

This is moulded and has a polished base which looks to me, as if it has wear consistent with some age. It is 3ins tall and 3ins across the top, weighing 135g. I wondered if it was English but can't spot any maker's marks. Any help with ID would be appreciated thanks.
Alastair

Title: Re: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza
Post by: Mosquito on February 05, 2016, 03:45:02 AM

She's Czech and still in production. The design may originally be from the thirties -- I've seen her attributed to Hoffmann but haven't been able to confirm this.

She's shown in the 2015 Desna catalogue as 'Beautiful Atlanta': http://preciosa-ornela.com/images/pdf/catalogue_DESNA_collection_2015_EN.pdf

Title: Re: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza
Post by: Alsretro on February 05, 2016, 06:24:42 PM

Thanks for this information Steven. I've read that Desna started marking pieces from 2000 so I'm guessing my "wear consistent with some age" is still valid and this may be as old as 1999 :D
Alastair

Title: Re: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza
Post by: Mosquito on February 06, 2016, 12:05:17 AM

It's very hard to date these pieces as they've been in production for decades. The problem is that things get very confusing when dealing with this type of glass. I just used the Desna link to show she's a Czech piece however your example might not be Desna as I believe Desna usually mark their wares.

Many of Desna's patterns are older designs originally from Hoffmann, Schlevogt, Halama, Riedel, etc. During the communist era many of these were marketed under the Jablonec Glass label. More recently, a number of firms (e.g. Schubert Crystal) have sprung up producing such patterns either from old moulds or as copies. There are currently unmarked versions of your dish for sale as new on ebay at present but I don't know who's making them: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262271448997

So, yours could have been made any time from the 1930s-present. For unmarked wares the only way to tell the age is to look at the mould quality, colours and finishing but this is not an exact science...

Further reading: http://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/geisel-schubert-hoffmann-schlevogt-engl.pdf

Title: Re: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza. ID = Czech
Post by: Alsretro on February 06, 2016, 07:43:28 PM

Thanks again Steven. I'd found that link after your initial post. Thankfully my piece cost ten pounds in a charity shop but I can see from some of the images the article and Desna catalogue show, how people could think they were buying an original art deco piece, .
Alastair

Title: Re: Black Glass Nude Stemmed Salt Dish or Tazza. ID = Czech
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 07, 2016, 12:37:31 PM

The Desna reproductions from the old moulds are still desirable and collectable pieces and do sell.
Folk will just take the quality of the moulding into consideration. :)