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Title: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 22, 2016, 06:05:15 PM: I bought this goblet it is 4 1/4 in tall blue glass with etched paterns of a dog jumping a fence and a rabbit and a castle all in blue circle it is very heavy glass it also has a Crack which has been fixed with staple like Pins through the glass please help me. ..
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 23, 2016, 03:27:23 PM: Hello , I would like to know if anyone can help me with this goblet. I think it's 17th century english clear and blue glass that has been repaired with metal staples.It also has etched pictures around . From what I have read they stopped using the staples in 1750. If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 23, 2016, 04:09:09 PM: Hi, I'm sorry nobody has answered your other post about this glass yet, but not everybody is here every day. Please have a little more patience.
I'm going to ask a moderator to remove this double posting, otherwise things could get very confusing. Don't worry about it.
I'll say something about your dates in your other post.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 23, 2016, 04:14:20 PM: Hi, you said in your other post about this glass that you have read that staple mending stopped around 1750.
That can't be right. I have a Davidson slag glass jug in the shape of a fish, which is mended with staples and that is a good bit later than 1750.

It is a really, really difficult and complicated thing to do - tiny holes of the right size have to be drilled into the glass, in exactly the right places and the staples added.

Glass was a luxury item and did get repaired rather than get thrown out, when broken.
I only have my jug because I wanted an example of a staple mend. ;D
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: Anne on February 23, 2016, 04:51:25 PM: Duplicate topics merged, please don't repost the same item as a new topic. You can add a reply bumping it back up the list after a reasonable time (e.g. a week or more) but not more often please. I've also changed all the topic posts to something more meaningful which helps the Search option find topics later. Please see the Help forum for advice on using the board, why topic titles matter, etc... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/board,22.0.html
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 23, 2016, 06:28:12 PM: Thank you so much for all your kind helpful responses.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 23, 2016, 06:48:42 PM: There is a description of how to do the stapling in the archives, here.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5386.10.html

(David E's "malachite" jug is the same one as my Davidson slag glass fish. Malachite is green, the jug is purple and white. Glass does sometimes shift between folk here. I suspect, as it was such a long time ago, we didn't know any better than to call it malachite. ;D)
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 23, 2016, 09:56:43 PM: Thank you so much for the link it was very helpful to learn the process.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: flying free on February 25, 2016, 12:57:13 AM: It would help probably to be able to see the actual glass as your pictures are too small.
Could you reedit and post them at 600x400 pixels please - that should fit within the limits and should enable them to enlarge sufficiently to be seen.

Thanks :)
m
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 25, 2016, 11:05:12 AM: There is a whole load of techie info and help here;

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34093.0.html

on how to get the images sorted.

If you crop a load of background off first, (like you did for the second image) that can help too. :)
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: Antwerp1954 on February 26, 2016, 04:05:28 PM: Why do you believe this is 17th century?
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 26, 2016, 04:31:44 PM: I suspect it is because of the rumour heard about stapling mends not being continued after 1750.

But they were. We have evidence.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: Fuhrman Glass on February 26, 2016, 07:58:23 PM: Stapling was definitely done after the 17th century as I have some dated souvenir pieces that are stapled that are not 17th century.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 26, 2016, 08:38:10 PM: 1700 anything would make it 18th Century
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: glassobsessed on February 26, 2016, 08:58:41 PM: The vessel on the right was repaired with a couple of staples, not that easy to see in this photo. They would have been made circa 1880, the repair could of course have been any time after that.

John
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 27, 2016, 12:27:16 PM: Hello and thank you to everyone who has shard on this post.
Please excuse my lack of knowledge about glass and centuries.

I have done some research on the drinking vessel and have found out its late 18th century to early 19th century possibly bohemian possibly Egermann before he and 2 other gentleman chemist found out how to color glass. This was around 1777 to 1860. Before that time color was only infused in Vienna and it was being kept a secret.

I have found alot of egermann work but I believe my glass might have been made before he became so popular around the world due to the blue color . He was famous for his red glass more than any other color.

If anyone has any information please feel free to correct me or share what you may know.

thanks staceysteve
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: Antwerp1954 on February 27, 2016, 01:39:41 PM: People have been making coloured, including blue, glass for at least 2000 years.

See https://ancientglass.wordpress.com/variations-in-glass-art-and-style/blue-glass-ancient-to-modern/

From the shape of the glass - foot, stem, bowl - and the thickness of it this is NOT an 18th century, or even early 19th century, glass. My own interest is mainly in pre-1840 glass and this form of glass, I believe, was made after that date. I'll leave it for those who specialise in more modern glass to advise on the likely date and origin of your stapled glass.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: staceysteve on February 27, 2016, 07:20:16 PM: Yes that is true but from what I read only in Vienna till 1770 ' s then it spread around the world
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: oldglassman on February 27, 2016, 08:43:32 PM: Hi,
I think your source material could be to a specific type of glass ,which if related to Egermann as you suggest he was born in 1777 and known for his inventions in the 19th c of Lithyalin glass and coloured glazes for glass,
I can only agree with Antwerps comments above in that coloured glass has been made since glass was made , from the 16th c Venise produced coloured glass drinking vessels and other objects,Germany,the Low Contries and Bohemia were producing drinking vessels in coloured glass in the 17th c along with England and Ireland and have continued to make coloured glass to this day.

It might be helpful If you could clarify what you think was only available in Vienna till 1770s,

cheers

Peter.
Title: Re: 17th century glass goblet with repair staples
Post by: flying free on February 29, 2016, 10:18:14 PM: I had a piece of stapled glass from the 1930s - a jam pot in a silver stand by Walsh Walsh. There's a photo of it on here somewhere.

Is it possible to repost your pictures so they are 600 x 400 pixels please? These will enlarge enough to see the glass properly.
Also, what source are you referencing for your assertions about coloured glass only being made in Vienna until the 1770s please?

Thanks
m