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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Dingledodger on March 14, 2016, 08:37:04 PM
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Hi,
Does this look familiar in style/construction to anyone at all?
Thanks, Ben
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One area to look at maybe the Pompeian range of glass by john Walsh Walsh.
nice piece of glass.
Tim
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Hi Tim,
Thanks very much for your suggestion - I just got caught up in the whole Walsh Walsh/Arculus saga discussed in previous threads and haven't drawn any conclusions. I can't believe how thoroughly Flying Free (M) researches things! I wish I was as analytically-minded with a good memory to serve it! I reckon I need to invest in some good books to start with! The pontil mark is not well finished on my vase, as you can see in my photo. Would be great to hear M's opinion! Is one able to dm people on the GMB or invite people to threads?
Cheers, Ben
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Hello Ben, I recently got a marked piece and it's pontil mark is not well finished , I've not seen that shape in the books I have but who knows how many they made ?
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Hi Keith, thanks for taking the time to show your one for comparison - mine's certainly similar to yours! Could you upload a pic of the mark when you get a moment please. Mine's a funky shape isn't it?! I trust yours a very brightly glowing under UV?
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Would be great to hear M's opinion! Is one able to dm people on the GMB or invite people to threads?
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Thanks Anne - very useful to know! :)
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That bulbous shape does strike me as consistent with the 30s, another possibility could be WMF. No uranium content Ben?
John
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most unlikely to be wmf sorry.
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The pontil mark is snapped off then partially polished, the Walsh marks tend to be on the edge and therefore get worn away as you can see.... ::)
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could be wrong, but to me this doesn't look like the green used by Walsh. There are two known factory backstamps, both showing upper case WALSH, except that one includes the word ENGLAND in a slightly curved position, and the presence of either is dependent apparently on the date of manufacture - although doubtless some overlap. According to Reynolds book, the earlier mark doesn't include ENGLAND (1926 - c1930).
Walsh marks are a pain to photograph at the best of times, and even when found are usually faint.
There is a passable picture on my mustards which is minus ENGLAND, so assume this could be the earlier mark. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60522.0;attach=177989;image
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Would you say this is bottle green? Anybody check Empoli verde?
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ref. Keith's comments re the position of the Walsh backstamp, and which probably correct in the main regarding coloured wares - but would just like to add to Keith's comments that with stemware the mark is often (but not exclusively) in the centre of the underside of the foot. Since much Walsh stemware seems to have been produced with a machine finished underside to the foot, then any backstamp in the centre of the foot remains unaffected by either removing a pontil scar or subsequent fair wear tear.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for all your input - John, how the devil are you? : not a trace of uranium or any other UV reactive constituent in this glass...
Paul/Keith: if it is Walsh and there was ever a stamp on the outer edge of the foot then it has been obliterated from movement. Nothing anywhere else on the underside of foot either.
Empoli Verde a possibility then - that had not occurred to me but entirely possible I guess. Not sure if the green is right as I have no other pieces to compare with in the flesh. Always ambiguous on a computer screen I find. Are there any other typical Empoli Verde attributes to look for?
Cheers, Ben
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Ivo, I would go with bottle green yes.
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It's a wide field, lots of Murano workers worked their magic on bottle green glass. But they all seem to have this type of pontil mark.
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Paul do you think the green looks a bit similar to the bowl on page 47 of Reynolds maybe? That kind of bluey green? I agree it doesn't' look like the green of the Pompeian range vases that are shown in the book. I'm just wondering if that bluey green might have also been used maybe?
The foot has some similarities with other feet used in the book - some similarities with those on the Pompeian but doesn't look quite the same somehow, just a slightly different thickness, curve at the edge of the foot and the angle of the shape not quite the same. It has more similarities with the foot on the blue green Water Lily bowl.
I don't know about the pontil mark though. Has anyone seen a Walsh Walsh piece with a ground but not polished pontil mark?
Keith, Paul, what do you think about the similarities?
Ben could you post your pictures resized to 600 x 400 pixels please? That way they enlarge enough to see detail properly. I'm struggling to compare the bubbles in your vase to the bubbles in other Walsh Walsh pieces and that could be a deciding factor.
Thanks
m
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Hi M,
Thanks for your help with this. Here's the resized pictures - I hope they're easier to see now....
Cheers, Ben
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hello m ......... would agree that the colour of this piece isn't too far removed from the colour of the Walsh 'Iris' designs in Reynolds book. Unfortunately, because one is a heavily bubbled lump and the other quite the opposite, the 'colour' we see is affected by the transmitted light - so this one with much air in the mix looks different to one with 100% glass.
Don't think I've ever seen 'Pompeian' in this shade of green, but anything is possibly I suppose, and as for the base depression I seem to recall that most 'Pompeian' has a reasonably well polished one.
Don't think I've a single piece of 'Pompeian' now - all gone back to the charity shops, and coloured glass was never really my thing. Am sure Keith and Christine are more clued up on such pieces :)
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More clueless I'm afraid, I bought about three other pieces I hoped were Walsh but turned out not to be , this one had a name on it, always easier ;D ;D
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Empoli may be a long shot because of the bubbles.
Cannot find any Walsh Walsh in this shape and none come up that have a ground but not polished pontil mark.
And the colour green doesn't appear to be the same as other Walsh Walsh Pompeian pieces.
The bubbles are nice, the shape is a nice one and well considered (not just a standard 'vase' shape) and the foot is nicely done and designed, and it does look to have age to it (does it have lots of wear on the base?), but I couldn't match it in my head to any of the other 'bubble' makers I can think of.
Interested to know, is it extremely heavy for size? I have an amber vase bowl with green streaks in that is inordinately heavy for size and just wondered.
Is there any information anywhere on the pontil mark finish on Arculus glass?
You might have to wait and see what comes up in years to come on this one :)
m