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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => USA => Topic started by: Anne E.B. on April 08, 2016, 06:30:48 PM
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Any ideas where this lovely old scent bottle came from please? The nearest I can find in design/style are those shown in the Launay Hautin catalogues dated 1840 & 1841 shown on www.glas-musterbuch.de
I'm guessing its dated around that time. I see from Ivo's "glass fact file a-z" that Launay Hautin & Cie were glass wholesalers based in Paris (1830-57) and their catalogues included glass made by Saint Louis and Baccarat.
Its unfortunately damaged and is missing part of its finial on the stopper as well as one of its six scallops above the base. That particular shape is reflected on the stopper also.
However, for 50p it was an interesting buy.
TIA :)
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It's a bit on the monumental side, and sadly, these things do seem to be very prone to damage.
But a wonderful, fascinating thing for 50p. ;D
I can just see it, doing the "Fantasia" mushroom dance!
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I'm not sure if this kind of bleu was around at that time, I have seen a much lighter bleu, but I found a similar, green model announced as Boston Sandwich.
http://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2295/lots/306 (http://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2295/lots/306)
As you've mentioned, your bottle has got some damage.
Another one here...
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/409335053601037584/?from_navigate=true (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/409335053601037584/?from_navigate=true)
Personally, I can't tell you if this is right or not, as I haven't got any info on this company, but maybe somebody else can.
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"I can just see it, doing the "Fantasia" mushroom dance!"
;D Me too, now. ;)
Thanks Anne Tique for the links. Its identical to the green uranium one in the first link, and the second link shows one with applied gold enamel decoration which is interesting as mine doesn't have any, although it could have been washed or worn off over the years. Both described as Boston & Sandwich Glass Co. and "colognes". Nice to see what an undamaged finial actually looked like. The Boston & Sandwich Museum website shows some scent bottles in a display cabinet, a couple which are very similar but without the fancy shape petals around the bottom.
I did also see a pair of B.&.S. candlesticks in the same colour which had the same elongated oval loop pattern c.1840-60.
Do we have any EAPG experts who can confirm that it is actually B.&.S. ? :)
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From the book ' A Guide To Sandwich Glass ' vases, colognes and stoppers. See attached photo.
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Anne does yours have a polished pontil mark?
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Thanks for the photo Cagney.
It does have a polished slightly concave base with a scar in the centre which may or may not be a pontil mark as shown.
I must give it a good clean, its very dirty ::)
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looks like a polished pontil mark to me.
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Looks like a pontil was used to liberate the piece from the mould, hence the mark,. A usual methof in the eary days of pressing, circa 1830/1850. It looks like pressed to me. Similar items have been made everywhere pressing machines were delivered, probably with moulds and all, so possibly B&S made it in one form, Zoude, Saint Louis, and several other works in their own version.
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I seem to recall passing the body of a uranium scent, with a similar 'chunkyness' to Christine some few years back - which believe we decided was Boston & Sandwich from c. 1840 - 50 ............. from memory it was crizzled heavily and possibly even weeping slightly.
If Anne doesn't object, tomorrow I'll add couple of pix of similar mould formed/cut scent with spire type stopper - it's 'pressed', as opposed to entirely cut, but I'm confused as to how to interpret that word...... obviously there isn't a pressed plunger involved, so assume a pneumatic process??. Regret it's not coloured like Anne's - only clear glass - and my opinion is made somewhere in the early C20 perhaps, but based possibly on an earlier design.
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A relative of mine then ;D ;D
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sorry Keith - missed your contribution........... not sure if you're missing your upper part, or if you're occasionally weeping ;) ;D
the attached pix show a clear scent, and as Ivo says, these things are mould made initially - obviously they are then partly cut presumably to improve the shape and reflective qualities - but I'm still unsure as to how the mould part of the process is done.
On this example the stopper appears to be cut entirely, whilst the body looks to have been cut around the neck and on the underside only.
The very deep mitres under the base have no doubt removed any pontil or mould scar, I think. No matching nos. that I can see.
Am sure this is not the same age as Anne's, but not really sure other than early C20 perhaps, and doesn't look to be from the U.K.
About 7" to top of spire (c. 180 mm).
Any thoughts?? thanks for looking :)
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apologies again Keith - obviously not working well today.................. yes, that's a great looking piece, I'm very envious.
I haven't seriously collected these things, but somehow over the past 8 - 10 years I seem to acquired a lot, without really trying :-[
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I have a similar uranium one ...
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Keith's is likely uranium glass too. Here's mine (from Paul) http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1627
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Ooow yes that's very similar body to mine...excuse the silly question what does crizzled mean ?
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..picture of mine without UV light
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Angela - glass sometimes deteriorates chemically due to instability of the recipe (surplus alkali or insufficient lime) causing small fizzures or cracks to appear ............. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34252.msg185829.html#msg185829
big problem, as you can see, for Ravenscroft at the Savoy apparently, although believe he managed to cure the problem?
It turns the glass almost opaque and can make it literally weep as the process breaks down the composition of the glass. But have to say that I don't give away crizzled glass only - sometimes it's quite good ;)
My words above are taken, with gratitude and all credit to Ivo, from his splendid little booklet 'Miller's Glass fact file a -z' - 2001.
P.S. My fault I think for derailing the original subject here........... perhaps the Mods might care to split off the replies from No. 9 onwards?
and start anew - 'chunky pressed scents'. ;)
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Sorry ? for what Paul, have I missed something ? ??? ;D ;D and yes Christine mine is uv reactive.
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thanks for that explanation Paul I always wondered what was the correct term for it, I love that word crizzle very Roald Dahl !! I have a piece of glass suffering from it now I understand why only part is faulty (Its in two separate pieces) I will photograph it and post separately.