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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriss on April 13, 2016, 02:14:10 PM
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Hi
I've bought a large and what I believe to be a beautiful lamp base which I have shown to 2 glass dealers at a local antique fair and they both believe it is probably WMG Ikora (one lady said she was 70% sure but neither were 100% positive) so I thought I would ask here to confirm id and any other info about it please? The one dealer suggested I take it to a good glass worker and have the rim cut and polished so that the opaque cut out rim was removed and to show the beauty of the internal glass. I've looked on the internet as I know little about this type of glass or WMF Ikora glass (I thought it resembled Scottish glass :D) and as this glass is amazing when lit internally, I want to try to get the fitments of an original vintage lamp top which may have a broken base to restore it to it's former glory instead (any ideas or leads of where to buy a light fitting in keeping with the original one or even better, an original fitment from the original manufacturer would be greatly appreciated please? thanks :D) It stands 7 and half inches tall and is 10 inches wide and weighs over 4.2 kilos. No makers marks or labels. Thanks Chriss
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I agree, I think it's WMF Ikora.
I think the original fitting would have been for two bulbs, one to go "upside-down" inside the base and one upright to go inside the shade, so you'd need to find the right sort of fitting for that, either second hand or have one made. I wouldn't bother with messing aroung with cutting or polishing the rim - that will be hidden by any proper fitting anyway.
If it was mine, I'd be happy to spend a bit getting it sorted properly with a fitting and have it lit from inside.
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Hi chopin-liszt
thanks for the reply :)
I'm afraid it was like that when I bought it so not a clue where the missing parts are, but I thought the glass was lovely and was messing around with the light on my mobile phone to get good photos for here when I realized how lovely it looks when light shines through it so yes, a twin fitment would make sense to make the best of this glass :) The rim needs to be recessed to end up with an applied light fitment I would think so need to find the fitment first before I find out if it needs adapting to fit it. I would be happy to spend some more money on it, as long as it's not a crazy amount as I do want it lit internally too, it's quality glass so I do want a good job doing on it and am loath to cut it or mess with it at all :) Do you think there may be seller at the May national glass fair in Birmingham who may have fittings that were suitable please? I've never been to it so not sure of the extent of variety, but am planning on going next month, thanks :) Chriss
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I'm sure I saw this on Saturday at Stafford. I'm pretty sure it's Ikora too.
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Hi Marc1976 Yup, you did! I bought it on Sunday ;D I could barely carry it as it was such a heavy lump and it doesn't match the Iridescent and Art Nouveau glass that I normally collect but I just love it anyway so made an exception :) Chriss
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It certainly is a heavy lump :). I held it for some time mulling it over, bargain price too.
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i got it £15 cheaper than asking price so even more of a bargain price, thanks for not buying it and leaving it for me! :)) Chriss
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Nigel Benson might be able to offer you some advice, he's got plenty of experience with Monart, which is from a similar period and they used similar fittings.
I'd get the fitting properly organised and tested out before looking at doing anything to the glass itself.
I hope to be at B'ham myself. :)
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Thanks for that, I will make a b-line for Nigel Benson with it if he is there then thanks for your help and advice :) Chriss
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He might even pop in here and say something. :)
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That would be great :) I think he is to do with 20th century glass, I was hoping to email him (found an email address) to ask him in advance of the glass fair to give him a bit of notice as he may be able to bring anything he had to sell that may fit the job hopefully and if he is able to help me (and if he is attending the glass fair) or he may know someone else who can help :) Thanks
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Fabulous colours, will look great lit up, i would also agree with the Ikora ....... (can't think of the correct word !!!! )
Will try to post a pic of my lamp fitting tomorrow, then you know the sort of thing you are after :D
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fitting length 104
bracket 144
total 221 ex nut
nut 32
The original switch was a hefty bakelite one with a rotating dial: off/ 1 on/ 2 on/ 1+2 on
wattage n/a ; lower bulb is 85 mm 25W small fitting; top bulb is large fitting probably 40 W, total space available 55 mm.
The hinged bracket (I never thought I would use that word) is needed to get access to the bulb.
Good luck!
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Thanks for posting that Ivo, how does it stay put in the neck of the "vase" though ???
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It screws in. There is an outside thread on the lower fitting.
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Hi, Thanks for the replies everyone, and for posting the info and photos Ivo, if you ever want to sell your switch fitment, then please let me know! ;D If not, can you let me know if you hear of any for sale please, plus, what is the proper name of what it is please :) Thanks Chris :D
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Pretty effective when lit up, I'd say ... definitely worth trying to sort it out.
http://www.glaskilian.de/Tischlampe_IKORA_Glas.143+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNDMmcHJvZHVjdElEPTY5NTQmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTQzJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html (http://www.glaskilian.de/Tischlampe_IKORA_Glas.143+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNDMmcHJvZHVjdElEPTY5NTQmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTQzJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html)
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Is this also Ikora (with a possibly married lamp fitting)??
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VERY-RARE-EARLY-LARGE-MONART-CASED-GLASS-VASE-LAMP-BASE-/281999772595?hash=item41a87f0bb3:g:M-kAAOSwAvJXCrCI
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Hi Chriss!
I could e-mail you some pics of different WMF Ikora lamps / lamp bases with different fittings if you want to.
I have a collection of pics but can't post them here (copyright reasons).
Regards
Micha
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Hi Michajoli, maybe you could private message it please as I don't think I can post my email address here? Do you have any fitments that are for sale please? :) Many thanks Chriss :D
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Hi Chriss!
Looks like i can not e-mail you but you can e-mail me!
No, sorry, i don't have fitments.
Regards
Micha
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done :)
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Hi Chriss, the image below is from a Monart dual lamp fitting, which is a type of fitting that will possibly do for your lamp.
Or alternatively you could get one made with new parts (the link below) from this company.
http://www.lampsandlights.co.uk/table_lamp_kits.php
I have made two dual fittings for two of my own Monart lamps and one for board member Roberta.
The problem with old original lamp fittings they were not earthed ie. two core (electrician's hat) and cannot be used safely. Nowadays all metal lamp holders must be three core.
Gary
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Hi thank you Gary :) I will try that company tomorrow as they were closed when I just tried calling, but they look promising thank you for that :) I'm not going to be selling it when I manage to source the lamp fitment, so it's only for my use and as long as it's safe and doesn't electrocute me or burn the house down (looking good would be a bonus too :D), then I'm happy. I totally take on board the wiring issue and will make sure the wires are modern or have them professionally replaced if I source an older fitment thanks :)
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You're starting to sound like my OH, who is an electrical engineer.
When he was attaching some nice glass shades I'd got to a new fitment on the kitchen ceiling, I was watching him - and he didn't earth it.
I asked him about that, pointing out that the instruction sheet said it had to be earthed.
He just said; "I know it's not earthed, so it doesn't matter." :o :o >:(
"Besides", he added, "the instruction sheet is just somebody else's opinion about how to do it." ::)
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Hi
I went to the glass fair yesterday for the 1st time (well worth the visit I might add) and as I had sent a message to Nigel Benson before, tracked him down there :) He confirmed it to be Ikora WMF. Unfortunately, in his whole glass career, he has only ever seen one single unmounted lamp fitment which may have been appropriate, though it was years ago, and the lady concerned never responded to his telephone calls to her a while later so very doubtful I will get one unless I track one down in auction and dismantle it or similar? :/ He also said they originally had silk pleated shades. With that in mind, I've contacted the lamps and light company and they will be sending links for the components that I will need as she said they had gallery fitments that would work :) Thanks for your help and the link given, much appreciated :)
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I'm glad to hear all the news, that you enjoyed the fair and that you're getting somewhere with your wonderful lamp base. It's going to be a wonderfully satisfying thing to finally get sorted. :)
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Whilst not terrifically sexy if you know what they are, I've found that the caps from toilet brush holders and the bases of mug trees / kitchen roll holders will often fit glass lamp bases, and come pre-drilled with 10mm holes (which is the standard for European lighting parts).
Failing that, you could always have one turned in wood - we had a couple of lamps capped off in oak last year, and they looked great.
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Just make sure that if the fitting is made of conductive metal you have 3 core cable with an Earth connected.
It's really not an option.
It's there to save the life of anyone, now and in future, that may come into contact with a appliance [or fixed lamp fitting on a wall or ceiling, Sue] who's metal framework is by fault 'alive'.
Take it from an electrician who has had more than his fair share of 240V shocks from incorrectly Earthed / Grounded equipment.
No need to Earth if wired for 'exra low voltage' supply. Easiest lamps to get would be 12V auto lamps or 12V LED's now easily sourced. Advantage of LED is low temp operation. Would need to be supplied via a 240/220 to 12V AC transformer. Thats what I'd do, but easy job I'd do for myself.
Bit of a 'worry' Sue.
I know it can be a pain having to install/rewire house wiring that includes Earth at light points. Early homes I've worked on often didn't have Earth there.
I know the pain and tenancy to scream XXX when you get a belting.
Wouldn't pass safety standards now if Earth omitted. Hasn't for a long time.
Maybe all well and good for the thrill seeker home owner to 'know and accept the risk' but what about someone in future who doesn't?
Thats the unfortunate possibility if a ground fault that may not prevent lamp from working being there ready to bite the unsuspecting lamp cleaner or changer of dead bulbs.
Same applies to plug-in appliances that are not designated 'Double Insulated' International Symbol is a square within a square moulded on or on nameplate.
Table lamp would not be Double Insulated unless all fitting components were plastic.
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I know, I know. ::)
You try telling a man something!
I am however, quite cautious about electrickery.
I've been seen wearing wellie boots, standing in a plastic washing up basin (on top of a ricketty coffee table!) just to change a light bulb. :-[
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You try telling a man something!
I've been seen wearing wellie boots, standing in a plastic washing up basin (on top of a ricketty coffee table!) just to change a light bulb. :-[
All I can do is suggest to you, Sue.
1) If there is no Earth cable in the house wiring to Earth the fitting and it is very difficult to install so it does comply, then make the fitting comply to Double Insulated standards so it doesn't need to be Earthed, or...
2) If it is reasoned that "I know it isn't", then let it be he who is fully life insured [through self indemnity because an Insurance Co won't pay out due to the non-compliant wiring] , let it be he who does the lamp replacing and nobody else, now or in future, or...
3) ummmm, I think there is no option 3 other than don't connect it to an active power supply that can kill.
Looks like only valid option is #1.
Good luck with that.
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Option 1 for table lamp too. Much easier to find or adapt a metal fitting wired with 3 core cable and correctly Earth it to comply.
No two ways around it.
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This is his house I live in, not mine. I don't make the rules about these sorts of things.
And I don't do anything at all with the gubbins behind electrickery. I switch things on and off for using, that's it.
Anything more that that, any suspicions about anything and I yell for him to deal with it. ;D
"Michael, the hairdryer has just exploded."
"What do you mean, exploded?"
"Boom. Flash. Smoke. Flames. Exploded."
"Oh. It exploded."
No insurance though. It's too expensive for a rock-climber. ::)