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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: MKennedy on April 21, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
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I am unable to identify this glass charger and looing for clues, hints or answers
The charger is 13 inches (33cm) across. colourful and iridescent
The stylised face, partly hidden among swirls of hair or foam is reminiscent of images for the 1960's or 70's
The pattern has been impressed onto the back of the charger. This has then been coloured and over pained in black.
There are no identifying marks.
Has anyone seen anything similar. It has been pressed so there must be others?
Mike
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Can we see the back please?
John
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Photo of the glass is black - so little to go on
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Is there a thin layer of metal in the middle?
It could be enamelled.
It looks quite new - I'm sure it's similar to many advertising logos I've seen for Disney-style films.
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Hi Sue
No metal as far as I can tell. It does look as if the picture has been enamelled onto the back of the glass and then over painted in black.
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They are contemporary, there were similar for sale in TK Maxx a few weeks ago. Many of the designs are geometric and a lot plainer than this.
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Not sure if you are serious. I have had this for a few years now and paid more than T K Maxx prices
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You need to keep your eyes on TKMaxx if you're interested in glass. :)
The stuff they get in is all ends of lines or remainders, sometimes you can get seriously good quality goods there, I've seen Caithness and Mandruzatto for sale there as well as more general Murano; I've also bought some wonderful Beranek.
Of course, there is all the stuff from the far east too.
Often, reasonable looking bits of Chinese glass can come from TKMaxx and can end up on antique stalls at fairs - we need to know what is coming from the far east so we don't get fooled.
This sort of plate has been seen there. It's honestly not any sort of insult. :)
On the other hand, your is possibly a bit more complicated in design than the things that have been seen there. As John said, the stuff he saw was more geometric.
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The textured pattern and painted backs are the give away. They have been around for a few years now, a typical example here and as the supplier states they can be customised to clients design, shape, colour, printing...
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Wholesale-Murano-Gold-Large-Decorative-Glass_60307188367.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.D28eMN
Another kind of printed plate: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Murano-Glass-Decorative-Plates-Large-Glass_1049038069.html?spm=a2700.7724857.29.156.fxGWIj
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I vote for beautiful Turkish glass - 'AKCAM' Glass ? :)
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The AKCAM ones online appear to be similar to those John linked to. But I'm a bit curious about the Op's bowl being from them as the back coating doesn't seem to be on the ones I could find online and also I didn't think Turkish glass had faces/people on it?
I can't remember where I read that though.
But I also think it is a recent piece.
OP, I bought a plate a few months ago, beautifully enamelled and gilded that I thought looked old, having looked at the white enamelling on it on photos online.
However, when it arrived, the enamelling does look old but I'm pretty sure it's a recent piece despite that.
m
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I still can't remember where I read that information but came across this comment from an article in the NY Times 16 June 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/16/arts/design/16anti.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0
'Glass furniture from companies like Osler (and its British competitors, Defries & Sons and the Coalbourne Hill Glass Works) had another distinct advantage. Because the glass cutting was geometric, not figural, the decoration was acceptable to Muslim rulers.
"There were no human figures or animals in the glass, so there were no problems," Mr. Smith said.'
It wasn't in reference to Turkey but replicates something I read elsewhere about Turkish glass (sorry I just cannot reference where I read it )
m
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I forgot to check but I think at least some of these had made in Turkey labels, all in TK Maxx today.
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Thanks for all the comments and helpful sources.
In Ottoman and Turkish art there was presumption against the use of human and animal forms in decoration and art and it is unlikely that this facial pattern was produced for the Turkish domestic market.
In addition, if I make and inspired guess, the face, the hair waves and spray in the design represent Aphrodite (Gk) or Venus (Rmn). This is not a subject that Turkish designers would use for inspiration nor replicate.
So I coming to a conclusion that the design is Western European or influenced by western art.. I have recently seen glass given a similar treatment at a 'Living Craft' Fair but equally can accept that the design may have been sent to a manufacturer anywhere in the world.
M