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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: walkabout on May 12, 2016, 03:08:03 AM
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Good day,
Recently acquired and I have no idea who made it, or when.
The vase is 6" in height and about 4 1/2" at the widest part of the body.
Going from the checklist of things to include, I would say that it is a fire polished rim.
The base is deep and rounded and I've found no indication of mold lines or remnants of a pontil.
The design looks to be a silver or a silver colored application of 'something' - a little course to the touch.
The iridescence is both gold and blue and color transmutation(?) is dramatic in areas.
There is a mark on the bottom that looks like a crowned shield with 'something' in it - design(?) initials(?).
Me: I'm basically starting to collect glass and know little about it. For years, been dealing with and collecting Japanese pottery, porcelain and watercolors. This is a new area for me and I've a lot to learn
Any help ID'ing this piece would be appreciated - I wouldn't mind finding more, but knowing what I'm looking for would be quite helpful.
Thank you for your time.
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Www.poschinger.de
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Welcome to the board. Well done for providing everything we need. Mind you all IDs are not so quick...
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Www.poschinger.de
Good day Ivo,
Yes, that site was recommended and I've looked there.
Is there a particular reason why that I might have missed, as I found nothing to indicate that this piece was, in fact, made by that manufacture.
I noted that the shield is a trademark or logo for von Poschinger. Is this the only reason for mentioning this manufacture? Having worked with oriental potteries and porcelains for 30+ years, I have seen much calligraphy that looks the same but has been separated by thousands of miles and hundreds of years. Is there an example of this manufacture using the mark engraved on the bottom of the vase? Or, is there a similar example of the design or something to indicate that there is a good chance this piece was made there or by them?
Thank you for taking the time to provide the reference - it is appreciated.
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Welcome to the board. Well done for providing everything we need. Mind you all IDs are not so quick...
Thank you for your welcoming post. :)
Over the years I've tried to do better when asking for assistance on a forum. All too often, I have - and most assuredly will continue to - left something important out.
As far as quick replies, no problem. With age, one frequently ends up with more time than sense, and often realizes that others have lives to live, too.
Again, thank you for the welcome.
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Ah I missed that this was your first post - we usually say welcome t the board, sorry for missing that.
If this style is not in their current program then maybe you can ask them when it was discontinued? They're genuinely nice people who will answer such questions.
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Ah I missed that this was your first post - we usually say welcome t the board, sorry for missing that.
If this style is not in their current program then maybe you can ask them when it was discontinued? They're genuinely nice people who will answer such questions.
Thank you for the welcome. I tend to 'fly low' but always seem to end up getting noticed anyway.
I guess I will have to go through their site more carefully, as I missed all indication (other than custom made items) that this was of their design and/or manufacture.
Thank you for the nudge to try again.
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If this style is not in their current program then maybe you can ask them when it was discontinued? They're genuinely nice people who will answer such questions.
Well, thank you, once again.
I'm afraid that there aren't enough points to indicate that they had a hand in making my vase. From all indications, they might be able to make something like it. They do some very interesting things. Art glass just doesn't seem to be one of them anymore.
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Another "Welcome" to the world of glass :)
I suspect you will not find your vase on the website as it is likely to be an older production, not their current ranges. The mark on the glass indicates they did make it.
You should follow Ivo's suggestion to contact them, with photos and ask directly when it was made and who designed it
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Poschinger have been making glass since 1568 - there will have been very many ranges in that time... Very little glass is marked, so when it is someone often knows the mark, especially when it's got a handy letter (P) in this case. It's really only the crowns that can be confusing
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Poschinger have been making glass since 1568 - there will have been very many ranges in that time... Very little glass is marked, so when it is someone often knows the mark, especially when it's got a handy letter (P) in this case. It's really only the crowns that can be confusing
Thank you for just saying it in plain language.
I am really curious. Is it common for responses to be so obtuse? Is there some reason why it can't be said that there is a 90% probability that it is such and so because I recognize the mark but just can't give a particular date or name of a person? Not everyone may recognize the 'pattern' in the shield to be the letter 'P', or may see it as something else. I really do appreciate the help and information, but having to play '20 Questions' isn't everybody's favorite passtime. /rant
Thank you for the help. I will get in touch with the folks there and see what they can tell me about the vase. Your assistance is truly appreciated.
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Next time you have a question do not ask me.
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Next time you have a question do not ask me.
Thank you.
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Update: A return e-mail signed Benedikt Freiherr Poschinger says that the vase is of their manufacture and dates to around 1982.
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Thank-you for the update.
I suspect there has just been misunderstanding all round. You are clearly not familiar with how obtuse glass markings can be, and we were rather taken aback that you expected to be able to find your vase on the current site. The link was provided so you could contact them to ask, not to search the site for this item.
This site is about research into, discussion about and identification of glass. We don't chuck about statements such as 90% probability, we look for documentary evidence and sources.
The Poshinger website makes the same statement as Lustrousstone quoted when you thanked her for stating things clearly. If you had read the website, you'd have understood without resorting to insults.
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Good day,
I'm not/was not attempting to insult or attack anybody. I was asking a couple of questions. I do not think them insults as the person who seems to have taken the most exception strongly indicated the knowledge of recognizing the mark and a nearly as strong indication of having seen the piece is a catalogue. I was curious - and still am - as to why that wasn't simply stated.
As far as 'chucking around statements', What else is 'it has many of the points of ...' without naming the points? (merely a poor example)
I do apologize for any discord I may have inadvertently caused. I will now go away.
(The help is still appreciated)
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Please return if you have any other glass questions.
It is unfortunately very easy for misunderstandings to occur when the only form of communication is a written message - there is no body language, tone of voice or all the other clues we are used to interpreting when we communicate face to face.
John
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Some of us are not posting using our first languages and we have to take cultural differences in communicating into account too.
Some extremely experienced folk who are only here at all in order to give their time and knowledge freely, do quite understandably get a little bit tired of repeating themselves over and over and over, for years, answering the same old questions for newbies again and again and again.
We can all get a little jaded and bored sometimes, and we all have other lives. :)
I did not understand why you were complaining about the link you were given and I was completely taken aback by your complaining about the responses, which is why I took it to be insulting.
But perhaps that's our (yours and mine) cultural differences. ;D
Don't, please, be put off coming back with any other queries. :)
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Good day Ivo,
Yes, that site was recommended and I've looked there.
Hi Walkabout -- Welcome over here too :-*
Glad you took my recommendation to post your piece here and got a speedy reply. There are a Great Bunch of Glass Lovers over here too. Some of them are here and over at CW too.
I think I have been here for over 9 years now or more and know they are a Great Bunch here, so thus -- My recommendation to you to post here. Thanks
;)