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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne E.B. on May 29, 2016, 04:15:14 PM
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Any help with this one would be much appreciated. I think it might be Victorian, English or Bohemian, but other than that, I'm stumped.
It has a flat base with a pontil mark and a flat polished rim. A nice curvy shape with a slender neck.
I've done searches on Stevens & Williams, Harrach and others without success.
TIA ;D
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it may not help Anne, but if you can let us know the height then who knows....... :) Very attractive by the way - good find.
I'll have a look in Barry Skelcher's books - might be something there that could help.
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Many thanks Paul.
It stands almost 10" high and 3.75" at its widest with a 2.5" diameter base.
I've been looking through all my glass books and I've just come across something similar in shape described as opaline glass from France (no further information unfortunately). I don't think I'm able to add an image because of copyright, but it appears in Phaidon Guide to Glass (Felice Mehlman) p.218 where a pair of 7.5" yellow vases are shown "c.1830-50". So French could be a possibility which I hadn't considered.
It was an incredibly good but very dirty find - 50p can you believe! ;D I still can't quite believe it ;D
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sorry, not sure Anne if you're suggesting this might be Opaline, which I would doubt - Opaline should give the 'sunset glow' (when held up to strong sunlight), rather than the fluorescence of uranium under uv - I think. This piece, I think, this is the jade type of uranium, which means quite old, possibly, but regret no idea as to origin.
Where is Christine - am sure she will have better information.
Give you a quid for it - and you can make a profit. ;D
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Wonderful Anne. ;D
I have been thinking it's a bit of a "barbie doll", in terms of its very exaggerated contours. ;D
You can pick them up for 50p too, but I rather prefer your vase. ;)
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I wasn't suggesting it was opaline, just that the actual shape almost matched that of one described as French opaline glass in the book. Its the nearest in shape/style that I can find.
The only sunset glow came from my face when I paid the 50p ;D Very tempting offer Paul, but I must reluctantly decline ;)
I was thinking more Kardashian shape Sue ;D
I also have a Merlin Glass vase which I call Mae West for obvious reasons 8)
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I'm not up on the current talent-free "celebrities". :-[
She's got a big bum, occupying Essex hasn't she? ;D
Mae West had class.
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quote ............ "Mae West had class." ... not always, apparently, according to Cecil Beaton's diaries. ;) gave her name to a life jacket I seem to remember reading. Why was that?
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Mae West did everything with class. Especially when she was slumming it. :P
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sorry, not sure Anne if you're suggesting this might be Opaline, which I would doubt - Opaline should give the 'sunset glow' (when held up to strong sunlight), rather than the fluorescence of uranium under uv - I think. This piece, I think, this is the jade type of uranium, which means quite old, possibly, but regret no idea as to origin.
I think I disagree with this :-[ Uranium green translucent glass can also be called green opaline glass. The fact it is uranium and fluoresces does not make it not opaline glass.
This is translated from the book Baguier e Verres a Boire du XIXe siecle , Leon Darnis, pp63
'The edge of the cup 8 presents undulations. The leg is shaped balustre. The green apple opaline green chrysoprase was called because of its resemblance to the color of a variety of chalcedony, chrysoprase, gemstone particularly popular in the XIX th century'
Opaline glass comes in many, many colours. They are usually translucent in appearance. Sometimes they are nearly opaque though (see Le Cristallerie de Clichy).
I don't know if Anne's vase is French. The pontil but flat polished rim is a bit confusing. That would lead me to think Bohemian rather than French ... (however, without any real evidence to go on, my thoughts would be that the shape isn't so Bohemian and perhaps more French but the polished rim makes me think not - no quotes please, I'm always wrong).
Does it have a polished pontil mark or is it a snapped off pontil mark?
Anne, perhaps also check out Josephinenhutte and Schachtenbach?
m
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not going to argue with you m ;D - but is it not true that with opaline glass, whatever the base colour, you would always get the sunset glow in view of the calcined bone ash, a feature which is absent in plain uranium glass?
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No, it's not true as far as I know :) It is my understanding from reading a variety of information, that the 'sunset glow' is possibly dependent on what opacifier was used in the batch (not always bone ash).
(and perhaps dependent on other chemicals ingredients added to the batch as well as the opacifier ... and it might also depend on how the glass was cooled or reheated in conjunction with the type of opacifier, I don't know).
(no quote please, that is just my understanding).
So for example, this piece is definitely without any shadow of a doubt, an old (probably c.1840/50)piece of opaline (coloured, translucent, colour mixed in the batch) glass .... it has no glow as far as I remember
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50027.0;attach=115370;image
m
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An image of the base showing the polished pontil mark and one with my other bottle vases. The colours look great together even though the periods clash.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check them out.
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my favourites ;D
Thanks for the pic. Is the base of the foot matt and only the pontil mark shiny?(difficult to tell in photo)
m
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That's correct. :)