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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: brucebanner on June 05, 2016, 10:57:23 AM
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I think this is an ice bucket and the lozenge i think reads 9th March 1875. Seago, Johnson & Co Birmingham
Nicely decorated with a silver plate handle. On the inside there is a lip and a plated lid with drain holes.
5 1/2 inches in height, 5 inches in diameter across the rim.
I can not see it listed on here or on the net.
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Nice, in view of the fish perhaps for caviar (in a smaller container inside)
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very interesting..... in view of Christine's comments I wondered if the fish was supposed to be a sturgeon, but don't think so. Apparently you can have sturgeon in your garden pond - caviar on tap so to speak.
Will see if I have the National Archives original drawing - will post if I have.
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there seems to be some discrepancy regarding surface decoration of the lower part of the pail - no idea why - and as you'd expect the original drawing omits the metalwork - might be of interest to know the details of the stamping assuming something other than EPNS.
Wonder if the hare is of some significance - part of a coat of arms perhaps? Weren't the Victorians big on sardines?
The engraving is good quality. Might this now be moved to British.
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Great to see the extra info, no marks on the plating though.
Is there anything known on the maker ?.
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Thank you, Chris, for showing the ice pail, and Paul for the design representations from TNA.
I know of no other image(s) of RD 289281.
From: http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mans-s.htm
Seago, Johnson & Co
Birmingham (1870s)
Thomas Seago, Benjamin John Johnson, glass cutters and engravers. First at 49 Friston Street, later at 23 George Street Parade. Registered 6 designs in1874 and 1875, with a further 4 designs as Seago & Co in 1876 and 1877
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Fred's note detailing other Registrations from Seago, taken from the Great Glass site, has gone - presumably for obvious reasons.
Having looked through Jenny Thompson, I can see 5 designs only from 1874/75, not the 6 as mentioned on Great Glass - someone tell me please if I've missed one............. I can see:-
Rd. 280660 - 23.02.1874 - ink well
288498/9/500 - 16.01.1875 - butter/marmalade/marmalade
289821 - 09.03.1875 - the ice pail we've already discussed
297633 - 09.01.1876 - presently no idea what this refers to
303996 - 02.10.1876 - butter dish
309484/85 - 18.04.1877 - again, presently no idea about these two.
the above descriptions are taken directly from the original factory drawings, of which I can see nine in total for the period 1874 to 1877.
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Paul, I agree with you, I can only find 5 designs from 1874/5 too in Thompson. Plus the 4 from 1876/7. None of the Seago designs are included in the RD No. listings on the Great Glass website.
These are the other three design descriptions: [source National Archives Discovery catalogue]
Design number: 297633.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Parade Birmingham.
Description: Bottle for Liquer Cruet & other Frames.
Date: 1876 Jan 14
Design number: 309484.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Birmingham.
Description: Glass Ice Bowl.
Date: 1877 Apr 18
Design number: 309485.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Birmingham.
Description: Glass Ice Bowl.
Date: 1877 Apr 18
The catalogue gives a total of 18 results (2 per RD no.) so 9 designs for Seago. I think that the stated 6 for 1874/5 on the Great Glass site is an error, it should have said 5.
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thanks Anne - good to have confirmation. Back when I was taking masses of pix at TNA, I tried to make some sort of personal judgment as to whether an item was of sufficient interest to warrant photographing - some items, glass chimneys for example I considered were probably not. Unfortunately, looks as though my pruning was at times a bit too severe - will try to get the three for which you've now added data, when I next visit.
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Here is the marmalade in Paul's list.
Cut not pressed.
4 1/4 inches in height without the lid.
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Well one of them.
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that's a great piece of glass - particularly like the machine acid etching - almost makes you want to have the lid re-silvered :)
Fred ......... in my reply No. 6, are you still waiting for me to get the Kew Pix - can't remember now whether I did anything about them or not :-\
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Thank you for showing this 'marmalade', Chris. I will add the pictures to the GMB RD database as being from the RD bundle "288498/9/500 - 16.01.1875 - butter/marmalade/marmalade" and tweak the entries accordingly if more info. come to light.
Paul - the only Seago pictures I have are for the ice pail RD 289821 of 9 March 1875 (which are on the GMB RD database) , and would love to see any other Seago RD pics in due course.
Fred.
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this cut and etched marmalade is Reg. 288500, and differs from the other marmalade No. 288499 in body shape and pattern of cutting and etching - and these differences are substantial enough to avoid any confusion.
Both designs show vertical cutting around the base plus mechanical etching in the upper half of the body........ oddly enough - as you'll see in due course - the original factory drawings, for both, show a hooped handle, and not a central finial on the EPNS lid as appears in the photo from Chris.
I have Kew pix for all three of these Seago, Johnson Registrations - 288498/99/500 from 16.01.1875 - the butter and two marmalades, but need to re-photograph both marmalades for better close up size, so will show 288498 only for now.
Of the other five Registrations mentioned in my earlier post No. 6 ...................
280660 is an ink well as stated, and will be included in the 'Ink Wells' thread in the coming days.
297633 is a design for a cruet of some description, and I also need to visit Kew for this item.
303996 is a butter, and I've included this one here too.
309484/85 are another two I need from Kew, so will be a few days yet before I can post.
Just as a suggestion, might it be of any benefit to include this Registrants name in the subject heading ?? - might not make any difference of course............... it does get confusing with some of these pressed glass threads when they become heavily visited and acquire a lot more information, and pictures etc., than just the Registration No. they started out with. :)
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Thank you, Paul, for posting the design representations for the Seago, Johnson & Co. RDs 288498 and 303996.
I will add them to the GMB RD database this morning.
Fred.