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Title: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 07, 2016, 12:03:26 PM
Hello I have a light yellow bowl,with a decoration that looks like it is cut out and is frosted.
It is dated about the beginning of the 20Th century!
It is handmade.
The crosscut is  35 cm,the height 7 cm.
Does anybody  have an idea?
Thank you Lisa
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Anne on July 07, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
Hi Lisa, when you say it is dated, do you mean that it does actually have a date on the piece (if so what date) or are you suggesting that you believe (or have been told by someone else) that it is early 20th century?  To my (non-professional) eye it looks much later than that so clarification would be welcome, thanks. :)
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Ivo on July 07, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
To me it looks like one of these pressed dishes from the 1950s which could be acquired in Holland by saving up coupons from soap packages - I think Castella but it could be Persil or Omo...
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 08, 2016, 11:15:23 AM
To me it looks like one of these pressed dishes from the 1950s which could be acquired in Holland by saving up coupons from soap packages - I think Castella but it could be Persil or Omo...
Thank you for the reply,the bowl is handmade or mouthblown for sure,not pressed!,kind regards Lisa
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 08, 2016, 11:19:24 AM
Hi Lisa, when you say it is dated, do you mean that it does actually have a date on the piece (if so what date) or are you suggesting that you believe (or have been told by someone else) that it is early 20th century?  To my (non-professional) eye it looks much later than that so clarification would be welcome, thanks. :)
Thank you for the reply,it is not dated,the owner told me this piece was from his great grandmother and his age is 62!Kind regards Lisa
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Ivo on July 08, 2016, 11:31:26 AM
It does not seem to have a pontil mark?
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 08, 2016, 02:40:44 PM
It does look as those it has a cut rim though
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Ivo on July 09, 2016, 05:50:53 AM
If it were blown the rim would have been finished hot, not cut as if to remove the burrs.
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 09, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
It does not seem to have a pontil mark?
No it has no pontil mark,it has an indentation at the bottom and a bump when you feel on the inside!
The rim is cut!
kind regards Lisa
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 09, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
If it were blown the rim would have been finished hot, not cut as if to remove the burrs.
Then it must be pressed,kind regards Lisa
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: Ivo on July 09, 2016, 12:47:55 PM
I am pretty certain these are from the soap powder stamps - there are an amazing number in Holland. They come in blue and in yellow and amber, and I would not be surprised if there were other colours as well. Yours is exceptionally large, it must have cost a lot of stamps. ("Zegeltjes")
the technique would be slumping - i.e. heating a plate of flat glas over a mould, and pressing it in shape. The edge then needs to be removed.  In the same operation an enamel decor can be added, then fused in the annealing oven.
the capacity to do this would be at Flamingo in Halfweg, or they had it made at  Marsberger or Flabeg in Germany. Ming you, these are just suggestions, not fact.
Title: Re: bowl with strange decoration.
Post by: lwerk on July 09, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
I am pretty certain these are from the soap powder stamps - there are an amazing number in Holland. They come in blue and in yellow and amber, and I would not be surprised if there were other colours as well. Yours is exceptionally large, it must have cost a lot of stamps. ("Zegeltjes")
the technique would be slumping - i.e. heating a plate of flat glas over a mould, and pressing it in shape. The edge then needs to be removed.  In the same operation an enamel decor can be added, then fused in the annealing oven.
the capacity to do this would be at Flamingo in Halfweg, or they had it made at  Marsberger or Flabeg in Germany. Ming you, these are just suggestions, not fact.
Thank you very much again,kind regards Lisa