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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Tigerchips on July 14, 2006, 07:15:20 PM
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I'm just checking to see if these amber coloured lions are Derbyshire or not.
They measure around 4.50 inches in length, 2.75 inches high and nearly 2 inches wide. I've been comparing this one with the larger versions as I've not seen any this small yet.
Notice that the lions tail appears on the left side of the lion rather than the right side. The front legs are longer and the ribs on the base are thicker.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_1371.jpg
The legs are not complete and the mane is much smaller.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_1372.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_1373.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_1374.jpg
No marks on the base
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_1370.jpg
So are they Derbyshire or something else?
Thanks, Tony.
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Hi Tony
I think, note the think, that Greener made lions as well. That might be a starting point. I also think the Greener lions are not quite so well sculpted as the Derbyshire ones.
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Hi, thanks, I think your right, I found this while googling
Cloud Lion (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:wpENwQQOTEcJ:www.cloudglass.com/other.htm+greener+glass+lion&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=9)
I've just bought that book too, lol.
Interesting shape, when I showed them to the other volunteers they thought they were lids from something else. They both belong to my shop by the way. :D
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another mystery! At first I thought they were Summit Glass Co. (USA) which were made in a bajillion colors, but in doing a search, the ruffled edge is a bit different, and is 1/4 inch shorter than your example. At least we eliminated one that it is not. here is the first link i found, and the seller has lots in lots of colors:
http://stores.ebay.com/dotdority1932_SUMMIT-ART-GLASS_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ8QQftidZ2QQtZkm
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Interesting that the design is so similar, I presume the Summit Glass Co lions are fairly recent? The lion that I posted does not look new though.
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very new. like, the last 10 years with steady production in a bajillion colors.
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Hello:
Beyond the wild colours made by Summit, there are very distinctive differences between the Summit lions and the Greener? lions as mentioned by Dave. They become very apparent when you get them side by side or even examine photos. Some, but not all, of the Summit lions are signed with a V.
Sid
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TC — I have always been unhappy about attributing these lions to Greener, and about their date. As far as I know, there is no evidence of either, and they could easily be 1920s imports. Their frequent chipped condition is, perhaps, more indicative of a toy box rather than of age. The problem we have now is that everyone knows what you mean by a "Greener" lion.
I wonder if they are in one of the early books, like Manley or Lattimore?
I have wondered whether they might be from the same stable as the not quite Sowerby candlesticks, and the not quite Derbyshire "Spell" vases.
Bernard C. 8)
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While on the pottery board I followed a link that led to this chappie (http://www.southendmuseums.co.uk/history/pottery/leighpott13.htm) and was struck by his resemblance to the glass lions, must have been quite the thing in the 1890s
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I'm pretty sure they were all based on Landseer's Lions for the base of Nelson's column - they were put in place in 1867, and were extremely famous at the time, so it would be expected that models of them would have been made in all sorts of media.
http://www.victorianweb.org/sculpture/misc/landseer3.html
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TC et al — I'm glad this topic was resurrected as I found a reference to an identical lion in amber cloud glass on Chris & Val Stewart's web site here (http://www.cloudglass.com/other.htm).
These lions are popularly attributed to Greener and also popularly attributed to the late C19, although I have never found any evidence to support either of these two claims. Davidson acquired moulds from several glassworks besides Jobling/Greener. I am not at all happy with the Greener attribution as the finish is generally not of their high standard. I believe that you don't get a team of glassmakers dropping their standards of quality for just one product. Or do you?
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi Bernard
I was interested with your comment about Greener and their standards - I always understood that their standards were slightly lower than Sowerby and Davidson. In my own collection, any items that have little fins of glass left on them, are leaning to one side, sunken or just generally wonky, it usually has a Greener mark on them! Have I been doing a disservice to Greener all this time?
Thanks
Nicola
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I know next to nothing about pressed glass but looking for something else, noticed a Saint-Louis Lion that has a similar looking base. Not sure the lion is quite the same but might be of interest.
From catalogue made available for down load by the Corning Museum. Page 120 of Catalogue, page 93 of download: https://www.cmog.org/library/moulures?search=library_collection%3A08a52ae67c8aab54f1173864adcb6f1f&page=231