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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: millarart on September 11, 2016, 12:08:36 AM
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ysart?
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Would it be possible to a picture of the base please? :)
Thanks
Andrew
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Would it be possible to a picture of the base please? :)
Thanks
Andrew
yup il get it done later, I was hoping to get a poss ID before base pic as it does have a concave pontil which might not be right for ysart
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picture of base and side view, concave pontil which I cant really remember Ysarts using in their weights, sizes are just under three inches across and just under 2 inches high
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Most likely made by Salvador Ysart - maybe in the Ysart Brothers period or maybe pre-war.
In my Salvador / Ysart Brothers collection I have
1. A Star pattern weight made in much the same way, with the canes of the star being "packed together" causing some slippage of the pattern. My weight has a direct match to one of the canes and the base has a shallow ground central area but the main base is not flat polished.
2. Another weight in my "Salvador" collection, has the same style finishing to the base as the one shown here - and very much like the finishing on some of the (pre-war) Monart vases etc. Was that finish also used on some of the Ysart Brothers (Vasart) period items?
I can also match two other canes to ones in my "Salvador / Ysart Brothers" group.
Edited to add: The base finish I am referring to is a mix of two "Monart" styles that may have only been used on paperweights (?). See http://www.ysartglass.com/BaseLabel/Bases.htm and look at refrences 2 (first pic), 3 & 4 for the wider flat polished base ring and then 6 & 9 for the central concave area. Note that those reference pics do not show any central concave area that has been polished - but that feature does appear on some of the "Salvador / Ysart Brothers"weights.
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yup Monart used concave pontils on appled foot pieces but also on pieces like bowls where the button pontil would be seen through the piece, never seen any on vasart pieces ,on weights n things site they have a Paul Ysart weight( pre war 4row concentric) with exact same base as my weight , the canes on mines look a lot better viewed from underneath lol
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Hi all,
I have a PY dragonfly weight with a similar pontil finish. I always wondered whether it was original. It looks as if it might well be.
SophieB
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... on weights n things site they have a Paul Ysart weight( pre war 4row concentric) with exact same base as my weight ...
Gary, if you are referring to the 1930s Orange Cable Twist (http://www.weights-n-things.com/en/modern-paperweights/europe/ysart-paul/1930s-orange-cable-twist.html) on the weights-n-things site ... [text removed]
Edited 15 Sept 2016 to remove comments based on an incorrect link reference. I was looking at current sales items in the weights-n-things site rather than the archives section. See Gary's later post with the relevant link.
Sophie's weight is the same type of finish to yours, with an overall flat polished base and a fine ground concave central area. There are examples of that type of finish in both Paul's and Salvador's weights. And there are examples for both Paul and Salvador with central fine ground concave areas either with no other grinding or with patches of grinding.
I am wondering whether the "overall flat polished base with fine-ground central concave area" on weights can be taken as meaning pre-1940s.
... the canes on mines look a lot better viewed from underneath lol
That is true of many canes in weights by many makers. When the pickup of canes is done, the underside is largely protected from later marvering and shaping. This means that in weights with a clear ground the initial pattern of the canes can be seen from below, but the top view can show distortions ranging from "slight movement" to "an almost different pattern".
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Hi Kevin,
Many thanks for the explanations. It clears the question of my weight's base.
SophieB
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Gary, if you are referring to the 1930s Orange Cable Twist (http://www.weights-n-things.com/en/modern-paperweights/europe/ysart-paul/1930s-orange-cable-twist.html) on the weights-n-things site ...
no kev thats not the one. I was meaning this one:
http://www.weights-n-things.com/en/archive/modern-paperweights/europe/ysart-paul/4-row-concentric-py-cane.html
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http://www.weights-n-things.com/en/archive/modern-paperweights/europe/ysart-paul/4-row-concentric-py-cane.html this one kev
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Thanks Gary. I have edited my earlier post and your following posts to make sense of things now that my error has been corrected.
Yes, that weight matches the base finishing on your Star pattern one and also Sophie's Dragonfly example. And it fits into my "wondered about" category of "definitely pre-1940s". But, as an extra thought I did not add previously ...
... my "pre-1940s" thought could apply to work by Salvador. But Paul may have continued to finish some of his weights made at Moncrieff's from 1946 in the same way.
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no probs kev, ive enclosed a picture taken from the base through the concave pontil as canes are easier to make out with them not being domed like on the top though second pics out of focus , I kinda was hoping it was a paul ysart pre 40s weight after all it cost a whopping tenner so I don't wanna feel to ripped off lol
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Just for the record, matched canes all from items attributed to Salvador Ysart ...
Pic 1 from a Star weight
Pic 2 from an Ink Bottle
Pic 3 from a two-dimensional (flat on the ground) Butterfly weight
Pic 4 from a Concentric weight
Pic 5 [next post] from a Concentric weight with lots of mixed canes
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The no 5 cane
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brilliant kev you must see canes in your sleep , I think I got my tenners worth