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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: susantq on September 17, 2016, 06:36:43 PM
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Hi, bought this thinking Murano but is a lot heavier than anything else I can find over 3kg and also 8 sided which I can't find either. The blue has a slight green tinge to it not so bright as others I have seen. Thanks in advance for any replies. Sue..
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Hi!,
To be honest the weight should not be an issue because Mandruzzato's artworks are also heavy. They are made in solid glass rather than blown; the glass is blown in order to create the cavity only. However, I know that he signs all pieces in addition to a paper/sticker certificate.
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I have sold about 15 in this shape all sizes and colours I have never had one signed, I picked one up the weekend three colours then clear that's not signed either.
Great looking pieces of glass.
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not my area and I fully admit ignorance, but as a suggestion ............ if there seems something amiss when compared to related designs from Murano, then how about thinking Scandi - apparently similarly coloured and cut designs were produced by both Kosta and Nuutajarvi-Notsjo.
I know we all mostly just assume Murano, but there were others making related patterns. Just a thought :)
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It is usually only recent Mandruzzato production that is signed, not sure when that started but vases from the 70s and 80s are typically unmarked. The shape of this vase is not unusual, as I understand it the colours used changed over time along with the fashion.
A modern signed example.
John
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This is the one i picked up the weekend very tricky to take a sharp pick though, 8 inches in height and 1.2kg.
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You have Asta Strömberg, Strömbergshyttan Sweden.
https://www.google.se/search?q=asta+strömberg+diamant+vas&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=sv&client=safari
Regards
Jonas
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Just my opinion, but out of courtesy I think one of the contributors to this thread - at least those who consider they know what they're talking about - which excludes me - should respond to the helpful comments from Jonas. Whether Jonas is correct or not, politeness should dictate that his help is acknowledged.
My knowledge is very limited here, so some illumination wouldn't go amiss re the colour construction of these things. Is it legit to describe all similar pieces from whatever origin - whether one submerged colour, or two - as sommerso. In other words if we have simply clear casing over blue, does that qualify, or is it the case that two submerged colours are required in order to fit the bill?
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If Stromberg I would expect it to be signed and a slightly different shape too.
John
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Hello all,
I only put out that it is not only Italy and Mandruzzato who made this.
Asta made in many differnt colors and you will find several without sign, some of them only had labels, Strömbergshyttan.
Here is an other vase, Murano maybe not Mandruzzato.
I am a Murano collector, mainly old squared Aquariums, birds and fishes.
Kind regards
Jonas
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This one has a label that reads Vetri Molati Bonora & Co, which sounds like a cutting workshop.
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looking back at Jonas' first comment, and in the light of his later words, it does appear that the intended meaning of the original post was perhaps a little less than clear - have to say I took it that Jonas was affirming Sue's piece to be Asta Stromberg. It now seems that those comments were not intended as a definitive id. for the Scandi factory, but a possibility only.** Regret I became lost when looking at the various links that Jonas posted, and don't know which one we were being directed to.
Repeating my earlier comment about having little knowledge of these things, my reasoning remains rather basic, but would draw attention to what appears to be a constant feature of the pieces - apart from Sue's - that are pictured in this thread. Those pieces depicted that are quoted as being from what I assume is the Gulf of Venice, all appear to have two submerged colours, not one as with Sue's - is this a valid point, perhaps, when attempting to differentiate between Scandi and Venice??
In Leslie Pina's 'Fifties Glass', the author speaks of Swedish sommerso pieces - and shows items having clear over one colour only, so that looks to answer my earlier question.
** assuming Jonas first tongue isn't English then, of course, my compliments on what is obviously a none the less very good grasp of English. :)
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Hello,
And sorry if my first coment was unclear, my first tongue is Swedish:)
It was an extension of Pauls first mail:
"then how about thinking Scandi - apparently similarly coloured and cut designs were produced by both Kosta and Nuutajarvi-Notsjo.
I know we all mostly just assume Murano, but there were others making related patterns. Just a thought :)"
I can see how it looked confusing but I too was showing that there are others doing this patterns.
I have seen very simular objects as the first one here in Sweden, with the blue colour and the clear lightblue over (I don't find any images of it at the moment).
I don't say it is Swedish, only a possibility that it can be.
Regards
Jonas
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Edit myself,
When looking at Astas pieces they all seams to have a smaller round opening, not squered or cornered openings as Murano.