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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: essi on September 18, 2016, 08:52:05 PM

Title: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: essi on September 18, 2016, 08:52:05 PM

Bought this vase today hopeing it was apiece of monart. I do not know Scottish glass so well but after looking online thought it could be shape GC. The vase stands 185mm tall,195mm diameter at the flared top and 120mm at the base.
Any pointers on the subject gratefully received.
Tim

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?
Post by: Gary on September 19, 2016, 07:07:17 AM

Hi Tim, IMHO it is Monart and you have indentified the correct shape ie GC.
Gary

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: essi on September 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Gary (good news). Is  the very feint colouring and the large bubbles a common pattern for Monart?.
Any ideas on the dates of manufacture?.
Thanks again,
Tim

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: Gary on September 19, 2016, 04:55:47 PM

Quote from: essi on September 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Gary (good news). Is  the very feint colouring and the large bubbles a common pattern for Monart?.
Any ideas on the dates of manufacture?.
Thanks again,
Tim

I believe it to be an early piece of Monart circa 1924 to 1929. The feint colouring I have seen in both early and late pieces of Monart, though more usual in early pieces.
Bubble inclusion is unusual but not rare.
Gary

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: essi on September 19, 2016, 05:14:12 PM

Thanks so much for the extra information Gary, what a good site this is.
I have a few small vasart and strathern items, but I don't think I will be growing a monart collection.
Tim .                                                                               

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: millarart on September 20, 2016, 11:09:48 AM

if its defo Scottish then base and pontil and overall shape  looks a lot like  vasart to me , also shape GC is a lot wider across the base than this one

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: millarart on September 20, 2016, 12:38:15 PM

also im still not convinced its 100% its Ysart infact maybe not Scottish  I have a large trumpet vase in same finish but has an applied foot with same bubble decoration and transparent colourway which is not Ysart, the shape is a common shape for a vase , I await to see what Nigel says

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: nigelbenson on September 20, 2016, 02:15:48 PM

Hello Gary,

I agree with Gary.........

Nigel  ;)

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: millarart on September 20, 2016, 02:24:14 PM

lol ok well the master has spoken lol ;D

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: millarart on September 20, 2016, 02:30:05 PM

Tim can I ask is the vase slightly  rough feeling on the outside or inside

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 20, 2016, 06:25:12 PM

Could it be early Nazeing. I had a mushroom posy with just such a button pontil mark http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=245 http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=243

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: nigelbenson on September 20, 2016, 06:41:55 PM

Sorry Christine, I must be going blind, but I cant see a button pontil on your mushroom posy bowl..............

Nigel

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: essi on September 20, 2016, 07:43:04 PM

Thanks for the response.
Millarart, the actual surface of the glass feels smooth but you can feel the undulations of the bubbles more so on the inside.
I have a few nazeing items to compare the vase with and none of them have that pontil button.
Not sure if it comes across in the images but there is a few black inclusions all over the vase. I am not sure if that is a trait of nazeing glass.
I thought Nigel might come out on the side of nazeing after I looked on his sight and saw a nazeing Munster vase,very similar shape.
Have just put my UV light on the vase and there is a yellowish response.
Thanks again,
Tim

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 21, 2016, 06:24:00 AM

It definitely did have a button pontil mark. I also had its ID and era confirmed by a lady writing a book on Nazeing

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: nigelbenson on September 21, 2016, 10:41:45 AM

OK, no problem. It's just that I have never seen a button pontil used by Nazeing Christine - so I needed to check.

A lady writing a book on Nazeing??

Cheers, Nigel

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: nigelbenson on September 21, 2016, 10:48:16 AM

Okay, now for my serious answer about the vase.

I believe it to be Monart. Yes the button pontil helps, but as Gary (Millarart) suggests, it should be smooth. My rule of thumb with Vasart examples is that the raised button pontil seems to have several plains - not just one.

As t'other Gary says the colour is indeed used by Monart, as is the bubble technique. Often that pinkish orange, or rust, colour was used in conjunction with moss green. The colour is also spattered, or pebbles which merge - this does happen with some (usually earlier) pieces of Vasart, but overall, I would say Monart from the images supplied.

Cheers, Nigel

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 21, 2016, 11:12:40 AM

That was in 2011. She was a lady in the USA. I did ask her to let me know when her book was published but I never heard any more. I know her ebay ID if you want to contact her.

Title: Re: Have i bought my first monart vase?ID = Monart, shape GC
Post by: nigelbenson on September 23, 2016, 06:52:57 PM

Thanks Christine.

Just had another scrutiny of your linked image and realised that the button pontil is very small - so totally wrong for Monart.

Cheers, Nigel