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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antonizz on September 25, 2016, 12:17:27 AM
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Hello everyone,
I have bought a very beautiful vase online,
but I'd like to know:
- Where it's from..
- How old it is..
- What kind of glas it is..
- And who could have made this.
I can't find any vase with the same form, or enamal painting.
I know it's handblown, because there's a pontil mark.
(could just only upload 4 pictures)
I hope somebody can tell me more about it.
Thank you very much!
R.Antonis
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If you reply to yourself (or to me :) ) you can add 4 more images. You can add 4 per post.
I would suspect this is mould blown, not hand blown, but has the pontil scar because it has been taken from the mould and put on an iron to decorate it and perhaps finish off the rim in that fancy way.
I think you need flying-free or somebody else who knows more about this era of glass than I do for identification. This is very much Flying-free's sort of thing. :)
I also suspect you might find it contains Uranium. Do you have an ultra violet light torch to check?
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Chopin-Liszt,
Thanks for replying.
It might as well be mold-blown, I don't really know.
How do I reach out to flying-free, or do I just have to wait for him to find this topic?
(I'm new here)
I don't have UV-light by the way.
Thank you!
R. Antonis
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It's mould blown by hand. I suspect the rim is cut. My guess would be Bohemian because of the yellow under the raised gilding
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As Christine said, I agree it's Bohemian either Schachtenbach or Josephinenhütte.
It's possibly around 1860 ish.
If you search you may find a match for the enamelling on it and perhaps the applique head.
Could we have a clear photograph of the base please?
Thank you.
m
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As I suspected, it didn't take too long for flying-free or Lustrousstone to find you.
Welcome to the board. :)
I'll leave you all to your discussion about this very unusal piece and just sit back and learn.
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As Christine said, I agree it's Bohemian either Schachtenbach or Josephinenhütte.
that should read 'Probably either Schachtenbach or Josephinenhütte'.
m
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Thank you all for your help,
I still couldn't really find any vases with the same shape/mold,
nor did I find the same enamel style.
For SCHACHTENBACH:
1) www.antiquitaeten-schlemmer.de/glas/glas-19-farbglas.htm#objekt3
(if you scroll down)
2) www.antiquitaeten-schlemmer.de/gross/schachtenbach-vase2.htm
3) From Schachtenbach, this one comes closest to mine, in terms of the glass.
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2014-3w-frauenau-schachtenbach-2014-katalog.pdf
(The vase on the 8th page.)
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For Josephinenhütte:
1) http://antikes-glas.de/alabasterglas/josephinenhuette/balustervase-opakweissem-glas-glasperlen-josephinenhue-p-554.html?osCsid=6cb5dc0a4639251bbfd5754231b80209
2) From Josephinenhütte, this one comes closest to mine, in terms of glass, cameo, and enamel style.
http://www.ebay.at/itm/Balustervase-aus-weisem-Alabasterglas-mit-Portrat-Josephienhutte-um-1860-/252520227715?hash=item3acb60e383:g:z8kAAOSwa-dWsdoR
I really don't have an idea. I went to an antique dealer in my city.
One told me: Opaline glass, the other one told me it wasn't.
So that doesn't really help me.
All I know is (and that's maybe a little hard to see, just from pictures) that the glass
isn't really shiny, it's more hazy and doesn't look as smooth as it feels.
Thank you very much!!
R. Antonis
(btw: Didn't know about the 4 pictures per post. Thanks !)
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Can you take your pictures against a plain white background please?
If photographs are done against a dark background it's impossible to see the actual glass (which is difficult in photographs anyway compared to real life).
Could you also put the height and weight of the vase please?
And is the base polished completely flat on the applied (?) foot ?
It is opaline glass and very thick and looks good quality judging by the cut rim of the vase.
It is matte and smooth because it is satin glass on the outside - it has been finished to look matt ( I don't know how they did this).
Hopefully Christine will be able to help with more information.
m
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The matte finish will have been created using acid to etch the surface
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:)
It's a completely different colour in thes new pics, and doesn't look as if it contains any uranium at all.
It was the pale yellow colour that made me think that.
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Here I am again.
I wish I had read the comments earlier...
Just bought me a UV-torch, and guess what;
No uranium.
I made some new pictures, but holding it in front of a white background
didn't really work. This is the best I can do.
Height: 43 cm.
Weight: ?? My scale is not working.
The foot applied to the base...
The foot might be applied to the base,
but it seems to be one piece.
From the top, I can see straight to the bottom.
And I believe it's the bottom of the foot.
Not the bottom of the base.
(Correct me if I misunderstood you)
Thanks!!
R.Antonis
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There is a faint similarity in some design elements with a set by Adolfhutte bei Winterberg shown in Das Bohmische Glass Band III page 51:
a) the little black inked diamond on the front below the rondel surrounding the cameo.
b) the use of half a circle of beads with an enamelled design completing the other half of the circle.
However the shape of the items (carafe and goblets) is quite different.
That set is dated c.1860.
There is also, to my eye, some similarity in design shape between a pair of vases on page 165 which are attributed as probably Regenhutte c. 1867-1870.
The draped/swagged gilded dot type loops or chains can be seen with some similarity on:
a) a set dated 1860-1865 attributed Nordbohmen, pp 151 and also on
b) pp57 two vases from Neuwelt dated 1865-1870
c) a vase from Schachtenbach also with a cut rim, dated c.1865
Josephinenhutte is another possibility I think.
I could find no other pieces that to my eye looked similar, but I have limited books.
The Passau museum I think has a large collection of this type of glass. You will need to search museum collections to try and find something with more of a match on design.
I think it probably dates later in the 1860s.
m
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Thank you very much for your effort!
I must say, I am buying arts&antiques for like 4 months now,
completely without any knowledge or experience at all + very low budget.
I have bought acouple of antique books and art history books,
but haven't really read them yet.
The book you talk about, (the series) costs a couple of hundred dollars on amazon.
Is it possible for you to make a picture of the ones you mention ??
That would help me very much. (I know I ask a lot !!)
I just mailed the Passau Musseum.
Hoping they can tell me more about it.
Thanks for your help again!!
R.Antonis
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possibly from a similar era to pieces like these:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qvBNtfssw_0/TXnQMiBfoRI/AAAAAAAAB_w/iP1tkeZuvQg/s1600/100_7654.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-73DDM8QBZSw/TXnQN217wxI/AAAAAAAAB_8/8FRa5bgKLNg/s1600/100_7655.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Mgkvvvkv9VA/TXnQQtWXc3I/AAAAAAAACAE/l76S9pG-R4M/s1600/100_7666.jpg
All from the Passau museum
m
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M, are there any links to info (maker / period) about those images from the Passau museum?
I have been watching this thread as I have a couple of items of similar appearance that currently sit in my generic "Bohemian or French" category.
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No sadly not Kev.
There are the examples I've quoted from Das Bohmische Glas Band II above (that was written in the 1990s)
All the information I have is in German and my German is absolutely terrible, so it's painstaking translation via google translate and typing it all up if I'm not sure I've read it correctly.
The rest is down to searching the net using German or Czech search words. Using the language of origin of the pieces does throw up more information usually. I don't have any of these pieces so I'm not that interested but I do know the and know where I've found the information on them. Other than that, searching in language of origin.
m
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I've found a link:
-The enamel-work is almost exactly the same.
-The black lines also. (is that enamel too? )
-And the 'flowers' are the same too.
Of course I don't know if the describtion is right:
- France
- 19th Century
- Charles X.
Also, the gold enamel is said to be: 24 carat gold.
Wonder if mines is too, and how to check it.
!! Don't know if the seller's description is right though !!
https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/7931779-opaline-carafe-and-bowl-charles-x-france-xixth-century
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Kev there are more examples here
if it helps
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2014-3w-frauenau-schachtenbach-2014-katalog.pdf
m
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Yes I've seen this article, but (at least for my vase)
the Catawiki-Link, is by far the best match I've found yet.
Only thing is....
That one's supposed to be french.
Still, the schachtenbach/bohemian also matches a little.
In terms of glas, and gold enamel.
Could this really be 24 carat gold?
And where to find out? Juwelery store? ::)
R.Antonis
(FlyingFree, I forgot to thank you for posting the links!!)
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You're welcome.
I'm sure there is some description somewhere of the gilding they used but it's an absolute pain for me to go and try and look it up and translate it I'm afraid.
It is possible it is a raised enamel and then the gilding applied on top of that I think.
The books are expensive - mine have cost probably into the thousands now ::) but I love them, love reading them and they often have some extremely interesting information in them not available elsewhere.
In the end, they save me buying pieces that are not worth the money to be honest, and any glass I have sold has paid for them, so a win win situation :)
m
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I'm glad it works for you. It's ofcourse an investment,
and with all investments you first need the money to do so.
That's why, now I try to gain as much information (and thereby experience)
from open-sources, and 2nd hand books and online articles.
Most of the time, when I see something that has my interest, I try to find out more about it.
Now I don't know nothing, literally nothing about antiques.
I haven't sold anything yet. And unfortunately bought a lot of garbage.
That's why I just book a couple books about The History of Art, just the overall knowledge.
And build on that. See how far we come :)