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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: mhgcgolfclub on November 29, 2016, 07:24:38 PM
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A large and heavy pressed glass celery vase, part frosted with stars. Very much like Percival Yates and Vickers from the mid 1860's, although the stars are not quite the same.
The celery has a date lozenge but not very easy to make much sense of it.
The year could be a W for 1865, C for the month of January. The day and parcel could be 11 as they look very much in the same style as the class 111.
If the year letter was N that would be a match for The Tutbury Glass Co for 11th Jan 1864 parcel 11.
Height 9.75"
Weight 1750gm.
Thanks for any help.
Roy
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you are correct Roy - it is Tutbury Glass Co. and the design, as Registered originally, is simply for a geometric pattern of stars - there is no celery vase shown in the original drawing.
No time to post the pix etc. now, hopefully will do so later today. The Registration No. is 170914 - but then you knew that didn't you Roy ;D Cheers.
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National Archive drawing now attached. I had some notion we'd had this one on he Board previously, but I can't see anything in the Glass Registration archive. Can now be moved to British I'd assume, and would suggest the subject heading now includes the Rd. No.
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Nice (rare and important) find, Roy. Presumably only the second documented piece (and shape) in this pattern.
The design has indeed been discussed in some detail on the GMB previously - see:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49695.msg305043.html#msg305043 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49695.msg305043.html#msg305043).
Here are some photos of the pedestal bowl (presumably a sugar bowl) for permanent pictorial reference.
I think it was discussed before the GMB RD database was started, so I have possibly missed it when adding RDs. I will check the database this evening and rectify any omissions.
Fred
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Thank you Paul and Fred
For confirming that it was Tutbury Glass Co.
When I first posted it the lozenge did seem to be very confusing and I was trying to match it up without my Slack book which is packed away until after Christmas so was struggling. Luckily I had a 2nd unread copy of Slacks book which gave me a clue that it may have been Tutbury but I still did not really think it was.
I did google Tutbury but only came up with cut glass but failed to use the GMB search.
Fred there must be a matching creamer / jug for the bowl you bought.
Thanks again Roy
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Roy, it's taken just over four years to see the celery vase, so I'm hoping that someone posts pics of the matching creamer in a somewhat shorter interval.
Fred.
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So I had posted that Kew Registration before, thought I remembered something - no matter, twice is better than never. :)
P.S. I'll do the other Kew items, from today, tomorrow p.m. some time. (what rubbish grammar that must be). :o
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Not really seeing the dimensions, but it seems large for a sugar bowl. Might it be a candy bowl instead? Did they do candy bowls back in the day?
Carolyn
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Believe me UK sugar bowls were huge in those days.
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they were big in those days, I suppose because sugar was so popular - and heavy too*, especially when you had a lidded example.
The dimensions of this one are given in Fred's link - it's in his first post of that thread where he shows a picture of the sugar bowl - 14.5 cms. tall, and with a top rim diameter of 13.5 cms.
Looking through S. & F., I see there's a stemmed example of a sugar basin and the height is given as 8.1/2 inches (c. 215 cms.) - it has a lid and an under-plate.
Don't think the word candy had yet reached the shores of the U.K. in 1864 ;)
* it wasn't the sugar that was heavy you understand - just the glass ;D
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Hand made ones i think are really well worth collecting, here are my recent ones. 6 to 7 inches in height. 1860's to 80's.
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assume none of these has a lozenge or Rd. No. Chris - the right hand example - is that machine threading around the bowl?
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Yes it's machine threaded, I'm going through old boxed up glass I've had In storage for a long time hardly any blown glass I have come across so far has rd numbers and the ones I find that are not in the data base I will put a picture on the GMB, I normally keep all the hand made Victorian glass I find unless I've already got a similar example.