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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on December 09, 2016, 07:45:39 PM
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282259086085?euid=dfbc6507aefc48adbbaca8c05015fd71&bu=43504863301&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu
bit odd with the handle stuck on top but interested to know who might have made this please?
thanks
m
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:)
I find the decor more reminiscent of Kosta than I do of IoWSG.
It stands more proud of the surface, it's random and artistic, not just "prettily arranged".
It looks old too.
tummy rumblings and gurglings only, m. ;D
I deny any responsibility for any identification.
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ha! :-* well we're on the same wavelength then as:
a) the first thing I noticed was that the glass actually looked quite old (has little black specks in that made me think of one of the Loetz decors
b) the second thing I did was look up Kosta
;D
and thank you for your observations on the difference in how the colour is marvered in. I would not have known that.
m
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I know they are completely different beasts but it reminds me of this type of thing
https://www.igavelauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/English-Victorian-Floret-Pedestal-Paperweight-and-Another-Paperweight-19th-Century.jpeg
https://www.igavelauctions.com/tag/online-auctions/
and it looks as though it could be old ...
However, it also looks to have a gold iridescence on it and also a gold swoosh around it - are those 'techniques' right for it being an old piece I'm wondering?
m
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Are you referring to the same pink ball on a stick thing in both links?
The door stop is surface decorated, i don't see many similarities at all, apart from perhaps, similar colours. Any "decor" effects in a cased piece are a bit different to surface decorated, I can't see any lustre in the ball on a stick.
But I don't have your very, very good eye for old stuff, m.
I just feel the door stop has some very good age. It is the black bits but it's the texture of the surface too, it's "rougher" than new stuff - because of the changes in the chemical composition of the metal being used, improving.
It's just a lot easier to produce "smooth looking" stuff now.
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Sue, you see what I see ... the texture of the surface is different to modern surface iridescent glass.
yes the similarity between this one and the one in those two links is only in the speckles and the colour scheme used ... but they did use a lot of speckles in paperweights.
So, that got me thinking, that it's just a big paperweight right? it's 18cm diameter so it is big, but possibly from a paperweight maker given the shape and the little handle. They did apply metal handles to all sorts of paperweights made from such as marble and rare stones. So no different to apply it to a glass weight. It looks too artistic and goldy iridescent to be that early (i.e. Victorian era) but perhaps 1910s or 1920s I was thinking given the handle (if it were English), however, if it were say Swedish, then perhaps the handle might date even to the 30s/40s?
I've just been on the Faglaviks glass page and they did make flattened and what appear to be, large, weights ( it's difficult to tell on size as they don't describe their items):
http://www.faglaviksglas.se/gamlaglas/20070821_14.JPG
m
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That is MUCH more like it. ;D
Even the surface, and a slight golden lustre - and it's got the right sort of delicacy of touch in the workings of it.
Words can be such big and clumsy things to try to use to describe these really subtle, little things. ;)
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I'll keep looking then.
I have to say (whispers because I think it's poor form to criticise glassmaking) ... I have never seen anything in that collection that I've liked - I think it's all awful, but that's probably because of the period perhaps. It just misses on the design element every single time. Either the enamel design is horrid or the colours are horrid or it's on some hideous piece with a frilled rim and hard sheeny iridescence type thing. I suspect they made the matthey crinkles type lampshade in my grandma's hallway :-X
And I don't think this doorstop falls into that category? ... so perhaps Scandinavian is a possibility but maybe not them.
m
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You don't need to whisper when it comes to being rude about anything matthey crinkly. ;D
I had to use crinkled tumblers for my diluted squash when I was small and I hated the feel of them. The hatred transferred to diluted squash, both still make me shudder and cringe.
The tiny spots of colour on the weight there are beautifully co-ordinated, they've got movement... it's not my cup of tea, but it's got class.
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eek,I hate them as well.
Will post if I find anything further to compare this with.
Thanks for your help and observations :-*
m
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It's not much, but it makes a change from you having to talk to yourself so often, as you work things out and report your detailed research workings as you go. :-*
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I wonder why the seller says Swedish, did you ask them?
Blown or solid? That handle is odd!
John
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No, because it appears to be a charity and there are no other kind of relevant pieces of glass in the listing. I thought it might have been a guess to go with the 'duck egg' blue because it appears that in the interiors world, Swedish is concomitant with duck egg blue, as is 'shabby chic' with rustic French ;D
I might ask her though, it might just have a huge label attached to it.
m
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8) Ever the optimist, m.
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umm, not at all dissimilar to the effect and including the bits used (where the yellow bits are identical) to this early Peter Layton vase listing
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Early-Peter-Layton-Stone-Form-Iridescent-Studio-Art-Glass-Lustre-Green-Vase-/132029933072?hash=item1ebd98e610:g:Zl8AAOSw2xRYSxWg
So .... did someone stick a handle over the opening?
Having looked at it again and turned the linked vase upside down so looking at the base shot in other words, it's the same shape.
I don't think someone has glued a handle over an opening. I think it was a giant paperweight thing but has a handle stuck on it.
I think it's most likely to be a Layton piece unless there were others doing exactly the same thing.
m
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Yup, signed Peter Layton piece :)
Someone must have stuck the knop onto a vase perhaps? otoh, the hole the stem of the knop is stuck into is very small, the width of the knop stem as far as I can see, certainly nothing like the size of the vase opening on the one I just linked to. It's very heavy and has loads of wear on the base but is hollow and you can just with a magnifying glass and held at the right angle against the light, just see the screw end of the knop.
I'm curious about what to do with it. It looks gorgeous with the handle on it- I think I'm going to leave it because the hole opening is nothing like as large as a vase would be or is as above. It's tiny so presumably for a single stem or nothing as would be impossible to clean it. Perhaps the shape is what they call a 'disc' - it looks pretty similar in shape to those pieces, so an early version of? or even what is called here (top left), a 'pebble'
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/521995413033503287/
Edited to add:
looking at this listing for a 'shell' piece ,the base colour of the iridescence is the same so presumably the same period i.e.1985
http://www.jvs-en-co.com/a-30357663/english-unica/peter-layton-vase-or-object-shell-reserved/
Mine also has a snapped off pontil mark showing and a ground base as does this shell.
I'm leaving the handle. I like it ;D
m
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I think there is or was some more writing on the base but the wear is so extensive it's difficult to tell whether it was a date or another signature (thinking NS Clarke here)
I came across some information on the board from Adam A saying that in the 1980s Peter did some collaborative work with a jeweller, Margaret Turner :
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56000.msg317425.html#msg317425
'Quote from: mhgcgolfclub on March 09, 2014, 10:19:47 AM
I have never seen a Peter Layton piece with any silver frogs etc.
That's the sort of rash thing I would say, but I've learnt that one should never say never! :-))
In the mid 1980's Peter Layton did some collaborative pieces with a jeweller, Margaret Turner.....
Not saying nuffink more as I am interested to hear what Peter says! Just wanted to put down my marker that I got there first :-)) '
This was interesting purely because of the knop (although of course it's possible it was just stuck onto the piece by someone else), but having looked this up briefly all I've found is this link, which says it's a 'vase' but might have been a perfume bottle maybe with a 'jeweller's' stopper or something hence the collaboration?
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/david-lay-f-r-i-c-s/catalogue-id-srdavid10023/lot-a31e70b7-f91d-436e-8ed3-a44700fdf0ff
Margaret Turner's jewellery is fab. But it's probably nothing to do with my piece :)
m
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Vases, especially studio glass pieces, do not require that bits of dead vegetation are put in them. ;D
But how lovely to get to the bottom of it!
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yes too true ;D
I'm very happy with it - think I've managed to photograph part of the, now very faint and covered in scratches, writing and think it reads 1985.
m
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Peter Layton or Norman Stuart-Clarke? ;)
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No, the Peter Layton signature is very clear and like his others of the period (but they didn't realise it was on there because unless you know what you are looking for it looks like the scratches on the base I guess). The 1985 is extremely faint and worn now but I think it is there. If there is other writing, I cannot read it at all,but given the other one I linked to in the same design but green colour only has PL's signature then probably I'm trying to read something that might not be there :)
It's really pretty - looks great with my early PL vase also iridescent and with a deep blue stylised flower on the front and looks great on black granite window sill. Very happy (and made an offer that was accepted so doubly happy).
I sold one of my NS-C pieces and gave the egg as a 60th birthday present to a recipient who lives and was born near the London Glassblowing Workshop, so they were very happy with it.
m