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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: glassobsessed on January 02, 2017, 02:35:04 PM
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Well nearly a miniature, it is a little over 3" tall, for us metric minded measurers that is about 8.5cm. Beautifully made and with quite some precision too.
All thoughts extremely welcome, not a clue here.
John
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is the pontil mark right for a Bimini piece? and is the set next to it definitely a Bimini piece?
Just asking because a new poster posted some information on similar pieces to that set recently.
m
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No idea on either question m, not having handled much of this kind. There is no pontil mark on the cocktail stick holder, I only added it for comparison, the vase has a (neatly) snapped off mark.
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Probably a red herring because a) I don't know what their pontil mark would be like and b) I couldn't see anything in the same filigrana on looking but you might look up
Beykoz Çeşm-i bülbül
They did make small vases with a pulled fluted rim like that I think.
m
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I've never seen a pontil mark on Bimini - even little "vases" are often (basically) hollow tubes. There isn't any base to have had a pontil rod attached to.
But I couldn't think of anybody else who might have made such a finely worked little bit of filigrano. :)
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ahh Sue, that's interesting - I knew as I was asking that question that something might not add up but couldn't think what.
Bimini don't have pontil marks?
Is that because they are flame worked glass and never blown on a pontil if they are Bimini?
If that is the case then John would be looking elsewhere for a country/maker.
I think Beykoz is a good bet definitely in terms of shape but couldn't find a match for the filigrana.
m
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I don't know. I just know the tiny vases I've seen and handled wouldn't hold any water. ;D
The bases are the same as the rims, the entire "vessel" is a hollow, shaped, tube.
I don't know what's at the bottom of the cocktail stick holder, if it has a solid base or not.
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Some very nice Turkish glass there, especially the paperweights.
Think of the cocktail stick holder upside down, the base becomes a flared rim, add a crimp to form the waist...
I think the three blue threads in the vase have a white core - the give away is that they appear a much darker blue at the edges.
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John you have lost me there ?
I don't know what you mean ... sorry. Very tired.
m
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When considered upside down it is much easier to see how the stick holder was made, to work what we see as the base it would have been attached to a rod at what is now the top.
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got it :)
m
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I think the Beykoz might have been a red herring. I can't find a match for the mezza (?) filigrana.
But the rim and shape would perhaps fit.
Looking at Italian pieces they don't seem to have the pulled rim so much, but I know absolutely nothing about Murano glass.
This link is where a cocktail set was id'd as Jostra
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55248.msg358739.html#msg358739
These examples are why I thought of Çeşm-i bülbül
http://perakendebulten.com/kanal/moda___magazacilik/pasabahceden_kiymetli_annelere_kiymetli_hediyeler.htm
m
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All the Turkish examples I found have solid blue canes, unlike mine but of course it could still be Turkish.
Surfing away from your link is how I stumbled on these paperweights:
http://www.unutulmussanatlar.com/2012/07/cam-islemeciligi_24.html
The stick holder looks to be a simplified version of Ivo's, it does not have the lower line of openings or such complex sticks. Would assume the same maker.
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I search a lot on Russian and Turkish glass and both are very difficult to get information on.
Partly because I do not speak the language of either. But talking in the case of Turkish glass, the impression I get is that it wasn't highly documented, some appears to have been from Bohemia, it appears to me that some might have been from Bohemia and decorated in Turkey but some might perhaps have been decorated in Bohemia (I have spotted the odd piece with very similar enamelling on to some Bohemian glass and quite obscure designs i.e. one or two pieces in Das Bohmische Glas with similar enamelling early 1800s), and then some in my opinion might have been from France? And whilst I have found some documentation and translated it, there really doesn't appear to be a huge amount that is accessible if you don't speak Turkish... and possibly not a huge amount of documentation full stop. I've found the odd research article on their 19th century production and there is one book I think on Beykoz but it's hard to find much documented info.
Some of the glass is not my cup of tea at all, but there are jewels here and there that are really beautiful.
I have one recent piece that is absolutely immaculately made. And some of those pieces you linked to, whilst not my thing, are precision made pieces.
It's a very interesting market that is under researched (the 19th century and earlier) and even the 20th century. The more recent output from Pasabahce as far as I can see has a huge range from pedestrian to immaculate specialist pieces.
Yes, your cocktail stick pot does have remarkable similarities.
m
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Great set of cocktail sticks 1106 and holder 1206. The sticks are interchangeable but you have them in the catalog format. Nice one!
Top maker highly collectable.
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Very similar to the Murano wine glass i posted on here recently, i was in a shop full of this very fine light weight work on Murano a few weeks ago.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63972.0.html
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Thank you Coupsdestylo, much appreciated. The set is not in the best condition but that does not matter to me at all, looks great in my kitchen.
Chris you are right, Murano is as good a bet as any for the vase. For some reason I had overlooked that possibility. On close inspection you can see the odd air bubble but I need a loupe to spot what are only a very few tiny spots of ash, makes me suspect it is not old. I counted 18 white strands and one blue then the pattern repeats. The coloured threads in the bowl of your wineglass look to have a white core too.
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Well the daughter of the my piece said the new generation of glass blowers can not repeat the quality it took her dad 30 years to achieve, I would have purchased more but I had the all seeing eye with me at the time .
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What's wrong with the set? from your picture it looks to be in good condition, an enviable Jostra set most holders have been messed about with and contain few or none of the correct picks, yours are there in catalog condition!! the next time you have cocktails they'll make them rather distinguished :-)
Theres some great art glass barware out there.
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What a fantastic holder, kind of crazy design, the arms with holes in are great. ;D
Four of my sticks are missing tips and two of the openings have taken a hit, probably from striking one into the other.
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It's a shame about the tips, but they can be repaired by a brave person. The small chip doesn't affect it too much, If someone else wants one they'll either have to spend a year looking or 2-300 buying partial sets to build one up, when featherglass breaks it usually breaks completely.
The 12 set above is actually a rotating carousel, the base has a glass spike that goes inside the body and the whole shebang rotates rather smoothly.
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I am happy with my set, you have to look really hard to spot those losses and it has sentimental value for me too, it belonged to someone who has passed.
Yours rotates, fantastic! That adds a whole new dimension of desire as far as I am concerned - I want one.
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Mine is new revival piece, there are some significant differences to the older ones, but I needed to have it to see the differences close up and it was too good to walk past. Most carousels of this ilk hold glass charms and very few old ones were for cocktail sticks (similar to the carousel cigarette holders). If it was a complete mechanical glass toy from the 20's - 30's then it would be in a museum.
Here is a vintage and very nearly perfect carousel with umbrella glass charms/markers :-)