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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: flying free on February 22, 2017, 01:14:35 PM
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Finally arrived.
It is exactly the same shape, size and finish as my purple Agate Flambe.
But a completely different colour effect, interior colour and casing colour as it turns out.
The purple bowl is the same decor as a signed vase in the Black Country Museums collection.
The decor on the purple bowl also matches other purple Webb Corbett Agate Flambe pieces.
The photos below do not show the decor on the purple bowl very well but the purple versions are very difficult to photograph representing the colours and swirl effect accurately. I think this is one of the reasons why they all look different in various versions. Some of the colours of powders come to the fore depending on what lighting is used. This makes the decor look different when in fact it is the same.
My purple bowl has the same rim finish and decor as this vase
http://www.stylendesign.com/classic/G136.html
That linked vase has been photographed in the same way and shows exactly the same perceived decor effect as another tall slim vase (shape match in CH British Glass) which is also signed W&C England.
The decor on this new bowl is similar colours of splotches but they are on white cased with a yellow amber uranium glass.
The uranium was a complete surprise. I thought my purple bowl was also cased in a yellow but I suspect now it is the green I'd originally thought.
It's pretty beautiful.
Hope you like it.
m
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That is very nice, makes mine look a little dull ::) ;D ;D
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Keith yours isn't dull at all.
Can you take some photographs without a flash and against a white background in daylight?
That was the effect can be seen with daylight shining on it and then also behind it if you get it carefully.
They are extremely difficult to photograph.
And depending on the light (reflecting off or transmitted through), different coloured powders show up and this changes the effect of the decor.
m
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Love it M
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Thank you :)
I have found another possible link re the shapes/design being Webb Corbett:-
The Great-Glass site still shows a jam pot in the purple decor of my bowl:
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/shops/shop2-3.htm
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/shops/stock/7149.jpg
On the site it describes it as 'A Stevens & Williams amethyst-bodied "splash glass" jam-pot, the silver-plated lid inscribed 'Argyll' underneath'.
I believe it is a Webb Corbett Agate Flambe range piece (my purple bowl has a silver plated lid as well, but not all the cut and polished rim pieces have a lid)
I completely accidentally noticed this piece on ebay today - it is a cut glass pot in the same shape as the Great Glass jam-pot. It was made at, and is labelled, 'Tutbury Crystal full lead'
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tutbury-Crystal-Cut-Glass-Preserve-Mustard-Pot-Jar-with-lid-Boxed-/311808359717?hash=item489939fd25:g:InQAAOSwr~lYrYsg
Tutbury Crystal were formed when the workers were made redundant from what had become the 'Royal Doulton' Webb Corbett factory:
http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/end-era-tutbury-trade-hits-glass-ceiling/story-21544634-detail/story.html
The story in the paper is interesting:
1) I presume they were still making pieces at Tutbury in the same shapes as they had at Webb Corbett
quote from article:
'“We manufacture all our own bespoke crystal — if we have got the mould we can make it. And the cutting side can diversify as much as the customer wants.”'
Read more at http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/end-era-tutbury-trade-hits-glass-ceiling/story-21544634-detail/story.html#oAVk7wtafwbWqUUx.99'
which would explain why the Tutbury Crystal (lots of cutting work going on there) jam pot is the same shape as the Agate Flambe one on Great Glass
2) And another quote re how their coloured glass is made:
'Darron says the company can also produce coloured glass.
“It’s something that’s very very popular,” he says.
“Basically, the colour isn’t actually in the molten pot, you roll it in the powder colour. ...”'
So .. at Tutbury, whilst they were making coloured glass and possibly even in the same shapes as Webb Corbett, it was not with coloured glass in the pot.
m
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This information about the history of Webb Corbett has come from the Royal Doulton website here:
http://www.daltondatabank.org/Chronicles/Royal_Doulton.htm
'In 1969, Webb Corbett ... became part of the Royal Doulton group. Webb Corbett was founded in 1897 to make English full-lead crystal;... The hand-cut crystal of Webb Corbett later would be rebranded under the Royal Doulton name.'
m
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Looks a bit better, will try daylight tomorrow, if we have any ::) ;D ;D
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That's extremely pretty and shows the decor is very similar to What ho's bowl posted on another thread.
here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63514.0;attach=195967;image
m
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Keith have you checked whether it is uranium or not?
m
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That's a fairly standard jam pot shape though...
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Yes there do seem to be a few around now you mention it. I've just had another look, but I couldn't find any with specific makers attached apart from Webb Corbett.
Mind you I don't know anything about cut crystal tableware.
That neck profile is quite squared off and raised - quite a design feature so maybe it could be pinned down as a shape eventually though.
It's not necessary as proof but I just thought it was an interesting coincidence, but perhaps not if it doesn't help.
m
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Not uranium ::) ;D
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I have just clicked that I have a preserve pot to match your uranium bowl M. No pics yet though; photography is about a year behind...
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ooh that's exciting!
I look forward to pics.
m
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and it's lined in white. I looked this morning.
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That's great ...
Very excited to have a new discovery on the GMB :)
Any information on Webb Corbett is so scarce out there.
m
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Christine is it the same shape as the one sold as 'Splash Pot' Stevens and Williams on the Great Glass site?
Just really curious to match that one up.
m
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Nothing like it, though the colour matches my bowl.
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oh gosh that is gorgeous!
Thanks for showing pics. Really beautiful.
m