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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: MatW on February 26, 2017, 08:39:20 AM
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Hello,
would you think this is an old one, and if yes, how old? It has a chipped pontil mark, some seeds and stirations. Thank you for your thoughts!
Mat
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Size is 18.5 cm.
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hello Mat - thoughts is possibly about all you're going to get - bottles were made in unbelievable profusion just about everywhere - and shape wise this is not run of the mill, it's unusual, and not easy to pigeon-hole - believe the French did something that's referred to as a 'shoulder' - quite likely not British.
Colour is possibly either turquoise or aquamarine possibly, which might suggest Bohemian or French. Date wise it's a bit of a puzzle - doesn't look to be nouveau in design, yet could well be 1850 - 1920.
Can't see from your pix if there is any wear within the neck opening - evidence of a stopper - which obviously you don't have anyway - but wondering whether this might have been a carafe rather than a stoppered decanter - although believe most carafes were made without a disc rim, so this likely to be a stoppered bottle. The disk shaped rim looks irregular which probably means lower quality.
Is there much base wear?
Let's hope others can offer better information.
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Thank you Paul, there is no wear in the neck, so maybe it is indeed rather a carafe. On the base there is quite some wear. The colour is aquamarine I believe.
Regards, Mat
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so many bottles remain without provenance/origin, which is possibly a reason a lot of people ignore them - so many designs and shapes and origins - it can be discouraging.
However, the colour of this one lifts it above the norm - it's an attractive piece and irrespective of the absent stopper makes for a decorative item in its own right - up on a shelf with one or two other blue ish pieces - perhaps with some subtle lighting. ;)
If the inside is dirty you could try the Magic Balls - they may well improve the clarity/brightness of the glass.
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My first thought was that this beauty is missing its tumbler/drinking glass to be placed upside down on top - securely held by the shoulder?
Known as bed-side water carafe.
Sorry, can't contribute regarding origin and age.
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Pamela is possibly correct - in English these things were known as 'tumble ups' - 'carafe and tumbler' - 'guest water bottle and tumbler', and are now often missing their tumbler - date wise more likely to be c. 1880 ish to 1930s even.
They are sometimes decorated, but mostly just made in clear glass, so this one is a bit special. If you try the Board's search you should find quite a bit of chat on the subject.
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Thank you Pamela and Paul, that theory sounds quite convincing!
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None is exactly like yours, but this is how they looked: (german word is ' Sturzflasche ')
Bohemia:
Reich 1880 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/S-Reich-Co-1880.372+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNzImcHJvZHVjdElEPTE0NzUxJnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTM3MiZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
Rindskopf 1915 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Rindskopf-1915.8+B6YmFja1BJRD04JnByb2R1Y3RJRD0zNjkmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9OCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
Stölzle 1878 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Stoelzle-1878.179+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNzkmcHJvZHVjdElEPTc1NzYmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTc5JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html)
France:
Legras 1899 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Legras-1899.9+B6YmFja1BJRD05JnByb2R1Y3RJRD00NzQmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9OSZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
Choisy-Le-Roi 1916 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Choisy-Le-Roi-1916.296+B6YmFja1BJRD0yOTYmcHJvZHVjdElEPTEyNjI5JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTI5NiZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
LeBlanc 1897 (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/LeBlanc-1897-Teil-5.404+B6YmFja1BJRD00MDQmcHJvZHVjdElEPTE2NDk4JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTQwNCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
Good luck in finding a matching tumbler and/or even the plate, however, if you study more of these catalogues on my pages you will notice, that these water carafes were always also offered as a single item - no stopper, no tumbler, no under-plate! ;)
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Vielen herzlichen Dank Pamela! If I do not find a matching tumbler I will persuade myself that this piece never had one!