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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: agincourt17 on April 19, 2017, 07:30:16 PM
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A clear glass match holder and striker in the form of a recumbent Spaniel? dog. 13cm long. Traces of red paint of something similar to both eye sockets.The underside of the base is embossed 'Czechoslovakia' and 'REGD. NO. 71127'.
(Permission for the re-use of these images on the GMB granted by Kevin Collins).
Assuming that this is a British RD number, this should place the design registration date somewhere in March or April 1887, but not shown in Thompson or Slack. Another of those elusive RDs registered in a class other than 3 (glass)?
I've seen another similar piece also bearing 'REGD. No. 71127' so unlikely to be a misread or incomplete number. Just a thought, though - there was a RD 711272 registered by the International Bottle Co. Ltd on 21 March 1925 but I have no idea what that design looks like.
Perhaps Paul may registered by the International Bottle Co. Ltd on 21 March 1925, but I have no idea what be able to assist in solving this mystery following one of his visits to TNA at Kew, please?
Fred.
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The same item has been discussed here before, but without resolution.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16263.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16263.0.html)
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Thank you.
Fred.
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I'd imagine 1925 sounds about right for a match striker in the form of a dog - fits in with the early deco fashion. Regret I can't presently help with more details, so will have to wait until I'm at Kew in possibly 2 - 3 week's time. I already have a couple of other Nos. to research - if you can think of any more Fred, please let me know.
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Thank you, Paul. Will do.
Fred.
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my comments about animals and deco style - utter rubbish of course. Far more glass animals in the C19 that the C20 ........... but as has already been mentioned, the clincher which says this is a C20 piece and not Victorian is the word Czechoslovakia.
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Obviously brain wasn't in gear at Kew last week - I should have re-read this thread before my visit - I now have details of the Int. Bottle Co. Reg. No. 711272 - but it has nothing whatsoever to do with a dog.
We've discussed all the possibilities around this one before, I know, but just to reiterate ...................
Czechoslovakia (the spelling would indicate item is for the U.K. market), not appearing on export items until c. 1920 - and U.K. Board of Trade Reg. Nos. from that period are six digits and not five, and they continue as six digits from then on.
Not impossible that due to a fault in the mould, it's the first digit that's missing, rather than the last one............ this then shifts the possible date to 1932, which not out of the question. Might this have been for the States?? perhaps.
Anyway, run out of ideas for the moment.
Attached is the drawing, from Kew, for Int. Bottle Co. Reg. 711272 dated 21st February 1925 - no idea what it is though, so suggestions please, on a postcard, to the editor. Possibly a cruet or scent/perfume?
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Thank you, Paul.
Positive attribution for the dog will have to languish in purgatory for the time being then.
I will add the design drawing for Int. Bottle Co. Reg. 711272 to the GMB RD database in due course.
Fred.
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Could 711272 be a talc bottle perhaps?
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A search of the National Archives catalogue for 71127 only brings up a Class 10 (Printed fabrics) design registration for 1850, which clearly isn't this one. I suspect that the number is incomplete, or it's a sham, or it's a registration from another country. Take your pick. :)
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Anne - as for the talc suggestion, that might depend on the size of the item - I wouldn't have thought so unless it was at least 6" tall. Wasn't talc generally in tins, or was powder also in glass containers for the trinket trays? Unless an example turns up I doubt that we'll ever know.
I had a Reg. No. some year or two back, that defied all my efforts to trace - I tried the States, Germany and eventually gave up - my reason for trying those countries was because I was aware, or thought I was aware, that like the U.K. they also had their own Reg. numbering system.
It's true that the late C19 was full of stylized animals, but so too was the late 1920s - 30s - think of the Jobling figures.
I could be wrong, but would plump for this dog being intended for an English speaking country, assuming it didn't come to the U.K.
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Ahhhh we have had talc bottles on the board previously... in fact one of them you posted on the board and then kindly sent on to me via a glass fair and Christine and her OH. That's what made me think of it for this one. :-*
Previous topics for ref here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49930.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,44081.0.html
I do think that we might struggle with the dog reg. no. though, as it doesn't appear to be a legit. UK one. Fingers crossed it might turn up in a catalogue somewhere though. :)