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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => France => Topic started by: Jay on May 01, 2017, 04:24:22 PM
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Despite the look of the piece it seems to be marked with 'Schneider - PARIS- France'.
However the mark is not in the 'big book' so I guess I still need some expert help!
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Hello,
I don't call myself an expert but I can help.
I haven't got an example of the mark with 'France' added to it, but this is the closest I could get, I guess. It's the only round mark and there is a whole range of signatures used from 1949/1950 with either Paris, France or both added to the name. From 1955 up to the end they have gone back to just the name without circle/oval etc ... acid marked, sand blasted or diamond point signature.
This round mark was used around 1949/1950 for the new company, SARL Cristallerie Schneider, founded by Charles jr and his brother Robert-Henri.
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Brilliant Anne, thanks.
Which book was it that I'm missing ? ;-)
PS Anyone who knows how to get the right info is an expert! :)
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I'd agree - certainly regarding this lady - and if Anne doesn't like that description, then perhaps 'a very, very well informed lady' would be acceptable. :) she is very good.
but I still don't have my stained glass window ;) ;D
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You're both very kind but I'm only repeating what's been said/written before :-*
Which book was it that I'm missing ? ;-)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63570.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63570.0.html)
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I'm no expert either, but what gives me pause is this... there appears to be a significant amount of shelf wear (scratches) on the base ,but if you notice the scratches are beneath the circle and not through it. If the mark was original to the piece, the scratches would also be on the stamp - which is virtually untouched.
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The scratches look like they're inside the vase too, perhaps that's confuses but maybe Jay can confirm this and I think the second image has been modified a bit, to get a better image of the signature.
Re the originality of the signature, I can't see the point of adding a stamp or signature at a later stage to a 50's piece, whether it is Schneider, Daum or any manufacturer of pieces in this freeform style. They're decorative pieces but imho I don't think it adds any value at all.
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Yes, the third image was first but so unclear that I advised the 'chalk dust' trick, which has worked a little magic so it became the preferred image (no 2).
The dust does not catch evenly on different sorts of marks, and in this case not the same adhesion to the scratch marks and the etch mark.
If there are fake marks in circulation (for other factories) then they can usually be identified through the collector's network on GMB and elsewhere.