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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: agincourt17 on June 08, 2017, 02:06:52 PM
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On page 40 of Jenny Thompson's 'The Identification of English Pressed Glass 1842-1908' there are the (rather small and somewhat faint) images of the design representations of three items (pedestal sugar bowl, cream jug and a covered butter dish) each with ornate repeated diamond imitation cut sections, all from RD 218988, registered by James Derbyshire & Brother, Hulme, Manchester, on 29 May 1868 - Parcel 11.
Neil Harris has a photo of a part frosted covered butter dish on his Manchester Glass site at
https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/derbyshire-brothers-designs-by-date/derbyshire-brothers-1866-1869
but, up till now, this is the only photo of an example a piece of glassware from this trio that I have encountered.
Here are some photos, though, of a pedestal sugar bowl in green uranium glass which, although unmarked, must surely be from James Derbyshire & Brother's RD 218988. The owner gives the height as 6.6 inches and the top rim diameter as 6 inches. (Permission for the re-use of these images on the GMB granted by billben2014).
Does anyone have photos of the cream jug (or even another shape?) from this design to show, please?
Fred
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am sure you're right Fred, this does match the original factory drawing for 218988, very well. If you want to see the original drawing some time let me know - it shows all three of the items you mention - this sugar, the cream jug and the covered butter.
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Thank you, Paul.
The original design representation drawings would be a useful and welcome permanent reference addition to the topic (and to the GMB RD database in due course).
Fred.
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perhaps you can give this a little more sharpness Fred.
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Thank you very much, Paul.
It enhances quite well - certainly a vast improvement on that in Thompson.
Fred.
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They also come with lids. Quite a complicated lid as it matches the shape of the sugar bowl and has an inside lip to hold in place. A great display piece. Cheers Mike
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A very nice piece, Mike.
Thank you for showing it.
Fred.
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Hi Fred, yes it’s a great piece, would you know if there are any other illustrations showing other pieces?
Thanks Mike
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There's the vase, of course, as in your second photo.
Here's a photo of the lidded butter dish (courtesy of Roy Jones), but I don't know of any photos of the cream jug.
Fred.
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Hi Fred, thanks for the picture, sorry for the confusion but I meant anymore drawing illustrations like the ones in the registration documents thanks. I think dad actually bought that butter dish from Roy as we have one of those. Thanks Mike
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Mike - not sure I understand what you're looking for - in the way of original factory drawings for Registrations, I mean.
Do you mean more drawings of Rd. 218988 - or are you thinking of another Registration No. entirely?
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Hi Paul, yes that’s right do you know if there are any other drawings of rd 218988, thanks for replying cheers Mike
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attached are various separate takes of the single factory image held at TNA at Kew - I'm fairly sure there aren't any more factory drawings for this Registration. What is it that you're looking for in particular - regarding this one?
These three aren't in fact three separate pictures in the Representations book - there is in fact one factory drawing only, and I've made three separate images with some taken in close-up to help show greater detail.
Do these sharper quality pix answer your question?
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Thanks Paul for that, I was hoping for one with the vase and one with the pedestal sugar with a lid. Or any other pieces come to think of it. Thanks for your time. Can anyone go to Kew and look at the records and take photos? Cheers Mike
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Yes you just need to register on site with the National Archives and you get a card valid for a year - or that was the case last time I was there. Then you can marvel at the fact that all our national treasures are stored directly under the Heathrow flightpath and hope no aircraft ever come down and incinerate the whole collection.
On this registration don't forget that the pictures are often a representative sample of a wider tableware set which may run to 30-40 different shapes. Of this particular one, I have also seen the creamer, a celery and a tankard.
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Thanks for the info Neil, the colours we have are frosted, Vaseline yellow and uranium green, do you recall any other colours?
Cheers Mike
When I get a chance I’ll do a group shot.
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That's the colour range for their tableware pieces as far as I know.