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Title: Press mounded ale glass?
Post by: bat20 on July 08, 2017, 08:33:53 AM

Hi all,I found the glass on the right some time ago from a small boot fair and have always thought it was a ale glass,I still do but I haven't seen a similar pattern like this chocolate bar style so any other thoughts would be interesting.The glass measures 6.75" ,which is pretty much the same as the other ale glass pictured with it.I wonder what date it maybe aswell,many thanks.

Title: Re: Press mounded ale glass?
Post by: Paul S. on July 09, 2017, 07:45:03 AM

I think 'squares of chocolate' is a good description for this appearance.           I have a goblet in similar, and there's a goblet shape showing on an example in Ray Slack's book - page 116 - to which he attributes John Derbyshire as the manufacturer.

Don't have the time just now as need to be on a train shortly, but we've discussed these things before  -  something also about there being an error in Slacks book regarding pate 84.
Assuming this is Derbyshire, then would have thought there might be something on Neil's site  -  perhaps Fred can help.

Unfortunately my goblet isn't marked, but Slacks says his example carries pattern No. 256.        Date wise probably in the area of 1870 - 1880 possibly, and almost certainly for ale as you suggest.                  Thick, pressed pattern ales were very common around the last quarter of the C19 - mostly for pub/tavern use I'd have thought  -  I used to see the tall more slender examples commonly several years back, but the goblet shapes are less common.

Title: Re: Press mounded ale glass?
Post by: bat20 on July 09, 2017, 12:14:25 PM

Thanks Paul,looking at Niel's site I wonder if it may be closer to pattern 88 as used on a tumbler.?

Title: Re: Press mounded ale glass?
Post by: Paul S. on July 09, 2017, 03:42:06 PM

you may well be correct  -  I've not yet had the time to look in detail.                 Have had a look at my pix showing drinking glasses etc. from the Kew Registrations, and doesn't appear there's anything to match, so have to assume that J.D. didn't Register any of these designs, but don't quote me on that.            Certainly some of the pattern/designs from Derbyshire do carry a moulded pattern No., although my goblet doesn't, neither does yours, so not possible I suppose to be dogmatic about provenance for ours.              Even with identical surface pattern, different shapes were probably given separate J.D. pattern numbers, and similar situation likely for some other manufacturers.

Title: Re: Press mounded ale glass?
Post by: bat20 on July 09, 2017, 06:45:43 PM

Thanks for your help Paul.