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Title: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 20, 2017, 10:12:44 AM

Hi everybody!

I have received this glass set a couple of days ago.

I was wondering what kind of glass this is, and where it could have been made.
I think it's quite old, and could be opaline glass.

I'm thinking France or Bohemian.  Could be ca. 1850.
Maybe I'm far off.

Glass is not in perfect condition. It shows wear, couple of chips off here and there.
AND..  There's a structure of 100.000 miniature cracks on the surface of the glass.

Maybe this is just age.

I really hope somebody can tell me more about this set.

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 20, 2017, 10:13:31 AM

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Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 20, 2017, 10:14:35 AM

Here you can say the tiny cracks on the surface, seen through a loupe...

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 20, 2017, 10:15:19 AM

And the little scent bottle.

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 20, 2017, 10:20:19 AM

Somebody on another website said it was probably French Opaline ca. 1850.

I also found a couple of other pieces online:

1)  https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/8952664_29a-bohemian-silver-overlay-beaker

2)  https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/current-auctions/kataloge/list-lots-detail/auktion/11490-art-and-antiques/lotID/517/lot/1969444-pair-of-flagons.html?results=sold

3)  https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/48210270_pair-of-blue-opaline-inserts-with-metal-bases

4)  https://www.rubylane.com/item/582712-TL000001913/Antique-French-Napoleon-III-Blue-Opaline

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 24, 2017, 03:57:21 PM

Anyone?

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: glassobsessed on July 24, 2017, 05:16:37 PM

I think you are on the right track with French or Bohemian but I can not offer any evidence for one or the other, likewise a date of 1850 (or a bit later) seems reasonable.

John

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 24, 2017, 05:32:27 PM

Thank you very much.

Just today I had someone thinking is was 1860-1880.
So that makes sense.

He also mentioned it looks like baccarat, but I would think somebody would recognize that.
(I mean, somebody from auctions or etc. I have mailed, but most of 'em haven't responded yet.)

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: flying free on July 24, 2017, 09:51:13 PM

It looks as though it is crizzled perhaps but I don't know without seeing the glass? that's not age but degradation of the glass.

Does the underplate have a polished pontil mark - a very large one that nearly fills the whole base?

You might be able to match the plate design at some point.

I think the bowl and the cutting along the rim of the bowl might make me think c.1860 ish.

m

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 24, 2017, 09:57:59 PM

Yes it could be very well that it's some kind of glass disease or something.

The underside of the plates are flat.

I have been searching on the plates, but I couldn't find any matches.

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2017, 08:56:23 AM

the stem and foot and base of the bowl have some similarities with a vase I have seen from
Josef Riedel Dolní Polubný dated 1850-1860 (In a museum collection so assume the identification and date is correct)
Likewise the piece I have seen has an ornately cut rim in a similar manner to your bowl.
Also the panel and petal cutting on the pieces has some similarities with other pieces from them.
Likewise this piece here has a flat polished base I think, if the identification is correct also from them:
http://www.czechantik.cz/starozitne-sklo/vaza/p2703-c60
So there are quite a few similarities with some of their pieces possibly.


You could try searching the above to see what you find. I think they are a contender.
With the caveat I was searching in Czech and so I'm never quite sure if I am interpreting correctly  :-[

m

Title: Re: Antique Blue Glass Set + Scent Bottle
Post by: antonizz on July 27, 2017, 10:27:15 AM

Hello,

Thank you very much for your help.
I've been searching all over the net for days.

I think you're definately in the right direction,
because I found a white vase that looks exactly like it.

See link:
http://www.cesonline.cz/arl-ces/cs/detail-ces_us_cat-psb0001757-24-Sklo-Riedel/
(In the little square pictures, you have to scroll...  it's number 11 of 29)

This one matches on all fronts. The rim, the foot, the transparency.

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But... that was in my search for Josef Riedel.

Then I found this article with a whole family tree.
If I got it right.

The white vase saying JOSEF RIEDEL  1850-1860.

But Josef Riedel wasn't alive back then.
The one who was in charge of the Riedel company was:  Franz Xaver Anton.

See link:
http://antique-marks.com/josef-riedel.html


Unfortunately my search ended there.
Could find anything suitable with this one.