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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Emmaf15 on August 10, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
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can anyone tell me who makes the glass with the makers mark in the picture. It is either a M, a W or could even be an A and has 2 dots like eyes.
Thanks
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Hi and welcome to the board. I don't recognise your mark, but if you can add a couple of photos of the piece that you found the mark on that might help us run it to ground for you.
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Thanks Anne for your offer of further help, but a friend of mine has identified it last night. Turns out that it is Wedgwood. :D
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hi - always satisfying to have a result. I've not seen or heard of this one as a Wedgwood mark, and would be useful for the Board's archive if we had perhaps a commencement date to link with the mark, and if it was applied to a limited range of their products, or if it was used generally.
Approximate dates are known for other related backstamps for Wedgwood - the early trade mark for King's Lynn Glass and the later Portland Vase for Wedgwood - plus the variations on the use of the Company name etc., and the very early RS-W for Stennett-Willson.
For whatever reason - health & safety or simply practical issues - it seems that Wedgwood used sandblasting only to create their backstamp, as opposed to acid like most other manufacturers. Most of the time it's possible to see the difference between the two methods of marking, which can be a pointer to an id.
Perhaps your friend can point us to a book, or particular piece from Wedgwood and would be really good to have a date - thanks :)
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It would aslo be really nice to see the piece the mark is on, that would help our records greatly too. :)
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It's unfortunate that the op hasn't yet responded on this one, and in view of the apparent lack of GMB member's knowledge of this mark, my personal opinion would be to treat the Wedgwood attribution with caution until we have verification. :)
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Absolutely. There are several variations of Wedgwood mark but I have never seen this one on a piece of Wedgwood. Happy to be proved wrong though.
John
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I have never seen this mark before, and I have a lot of Wedgwood.
I wondered if the little dark area in the centre of the W was meant to represent the Portland Vase?
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hi Rosie - that wouldn't be my opinion for the reason this was believed to be Wedgwood - I'm inclined to think the image was thought to be an approximate outline of an upper case W, and so Wedgwood came to mind. I'm not of the opinion this mark has any connection with that factory, and it's unfortunate that the o.p. hasn't responded with a view of the whole piece of glass - such an image might have settled the matter one way or the other.
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I'm inclined to agree with you Paul, the fact that it is possibly not Wedgwood.
I was just wondering IF it WAS Wedgwood, then maybe the image in the centre of the W was intended to represent the Portland vase.
I do hope that Emmaf15 comes back with a picture.... she may be away on holiday, as it is that time of year.
As I said, I have a lot of Wedgwood glass, even a piece with the Portland vase sand blasted on the base with the words Wedgwood England, but I have never seen this version before, and despite a lot of looking, can't find it attributed to any other maker either. :-[
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Couldn't tell you if it was used on glass but there is a similar mark here... http://antique-marks.com/wedgwood-marks.html
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very interesting - thanks for posting that link. I get the impression that marks included in this link were those used on ceramics only, but there's no getting away from the fact that the post 1998 mark shown appears identical to the o.ps. image, which looks to be on a piece of glass. It seems remarkable that no one here recognized this backstamp as being from Wedgwood - especially as Rosie pointed out that part of the mark included the Portland Vase.
My opinion would be that the o.ps. image does agree with the backstamp in the link, from Wedgwood, and it's either scarce - added to ceramics usually and not often perhaps glass - perhaps confined to certain types of object.
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I'm aware that Wedgwood sometimes put extra marks on pieces that I have assumed were commissioned.
I bought a Wedgwood dragon plate, a Daisy Macaig-Jones gilded beast on a Bleu Souffle background. On the back was the usual mark, but also the name and address of Powell Glassworks in London. It was "hand written" in black enamel. Sorry, no pics and the plate was a present, I don't have it.
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Thanks for that link Tigerchips, it seems it has clinched the identification. Brilliant sleuthing!
I would really like to see a picture of the piece so that we can all learn form this very interesting and baffling post.
Paul, the Portland Vase hunch was only a bit of luck because I happen to have a piece of Wedgwood glass with the stamp on the base, and it just ticked a memory. :)
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I think we'd all like to see what this piece looked like Rosie - did try nudging the o.p. some days back but seems Emma has turned her machine off :)
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Well, I am hooked now, so am still looking!
This link shows the W mark with the Portland vase in the title. So maybe it is a Vera Wang glass??
http://www.crystalclassics.com/wedgwood/wang/vera.htm
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It would seem it is very modern glass!
Here is a link to a couple of glasses with this elusive mark!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Wedgwood-Crystal-Tumblers-in-the-Daylight-cut-Boxed-/202037990097?hash=item2f0a6712d1:g:ntIAAOSwEUVZZ7Jd
As I always say, I never give up! But this has been quicker than some. :)
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In which case, it's a brand mark rather than a manufacturer's mark, as I believe Wedgwood glass is now outsourced
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It is indeed Christine.
I find this very sad that such an iconic part of British glass manufacturing is now outsourced.
The only consolation being, that at least they have kept the Wedgwood name, with a nod to the important historical past in the form of the (albeit very small)l Portland Vase in the logo.
It seems the Daylight range includes a clock and a picture frame as well as the glasses.
The logo can just about be discerned on the base of the back stand of the picture frame in this advert.
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/brand-kojiya/item/a01487/
It would be good to know which item Emmaf15 saw this logo on.
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This could possibly be the piece we were hoping to see??
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WEDGWOOD-MAREKECH-GLASS-CANDLESTICK-VASE-ref-B706-/142477965413
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Hi all
I am so sorry that I have not been on to reply to your requests for the item that the mark was on but been mad busy (you know how it is when there is a bank holiday you have to work twice as hard for the whole month to have that 1 extra day off!)
The link supplied by Rosieposie is the exact piece that the mark was on.
She has been helping me alot recently with some rookie mistakes I have made on some of the pieces I have for sale (Just wanted to give her a public thanks).
Warm regards to you all
Emma
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thanks Emma - we all live and learn - and top marks to Rosie - very helpful girl ;D
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Thank you Emma and Paul for your kind comments.... :)
It is very satisfying to find an attribution and Tigerchips gave the first 'Portland Vase in a W' link that helped one thing lead to another, so well done to you. :)
However, we have to also acknowledge that Emma's friend had already said it was a Wedgwood Logo. :)
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Funny thing is i've already had this candle holder before, many many years ago in 2005, i just forgot all about the mark that was on it. :-[
http://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2417
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Actually, that really IS quite funny Tigerchips!! :) :)