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Title: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 02, 2017, 07:06:37 AM
Hi,
I can't place this one  - the nearest I can get is Summer Fruits Goldberry.
However, compared with a Goldberry vase which I've got, it's more delicate - thinner walled, and could perhaps be described as a little more refined  !? It's also got a broken pontil mark.

It isn't marked in any way - so presumably that precludes it from being one of IOWSG Museum
pieces.

It looks new-ish - its label was used from 1996 - 2014  with perhaps a bit of carryover.

It's 10.5cm (about 4") high
Has a 14cm (5.5") diam
550gm weight

Any thoughts welcome-thanks for looking  :)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 02, 2017, 07:17:46 AM

Perhaps a better photo !
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 02, 2017, 10:09:38 AM
I would suspect an experimental piece or from the glassmakers' shelf.
It has some features in common with Undercliff too.
It's nice. :)
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 02, 2017, 12:11:09 PM

Hi Sue, yes I think you're right, and yes I can see what you mean re the Undercliff collection.
If I had to name mine,I think I'd call it Underwater !
It reminds me a bit of Jonathan Harris's work..................
Whoever made it, I think it's great  :)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 04, 2017, 02:22:56 PM
I was speculating that it might be an experimental Autumn Undercliff.
Autumn colours and the "leaves" on the ground.  ;D
There is Day, Night and Winter officially, although Winter is hen's teeth.
I'd say a lot more scarce and interesting than "any old Summer Fruits". ;D
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 04, 2017, 06:00:03 PM

Hmm, interesting idea, never thought of fallen leaves and Autumnal colours  - could be ;D

A really stunning abstract design though - glass art at its best.
And of course that's an unbiased opinion  ;)

Can't understand why it seemingly never went into production ?

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 04, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
It's more work intensive than many other ranges and would be correspondingly more expensive. The company made more from "bread and butter" pieces. They kept a very close eye on profits and when it came to work intensive things, kept the production numbers low and changed the design of items frequently to keep them collectable.

I think they very much used the Moorcroft model/system. It's one that works. ;D
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 05, 2017, 07:45:16 AM

Just an idle thought, but do you think mine could be the forerunner of Jonathan Harris's
' Wilderness '  ;D

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Greg. on September 05, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
Interesting example.

Here are a few pics of a likely experimental Goldberry bowl with similar base finish...

Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 05, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
Very alike indeed. Especially with the unusual button on the base.
I still think it's going to just be experimental.
It's also not as complex as Undercliff, really, I was merely being romantic and speculating. I gathered this was a keeper, I wasn't offering advice or information for bigging it up for selling!

Many of the designs are highly related to each other, it only takes a few tweaks and a new design can arise. In this, the strands are at the top and the splodgy coloured bits are at the bottom, that makes it completely diferent to splodgy coloured bits all over with strands inbetween, (as in summer fruits) or splodgy bits at the top and the strands underneath - as it is when taken into Undercliff (with a few extra features too, it has a gold and silver foil base and branches between the trunk strands, unless it's Night, which is entirely made from iridescent bits.)
Variations on a theme.  ;D
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 05, 2017, 01:33:08 PM

Hi, thanks for your pics Greg - they do seem to have a lot in common - especially their bases.

I suppose by definition experimental pieces are always going to be a little bit different from each other.

Sue, many thanks for all your input.
I'm still trying to get my head round your " Variations on a theme " with its strands, splodgy coloured bits, gold/silver foil, iridescent bits and branches of trees - but I'll get there in the end - joking  ;D

Yes definitely a keeper!

Scott

Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 05, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
This is an image of a huge Undercliff Night cylinder vase. It might help to illustrate a little.

And another, of a sort of summery fruits design, but made textured and used on a flattened shape of vase. Unknown colourway. But you can see it's made up of strands and blobs.
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 05, 2017, 05:46:47 PM

Hi Sue, two impressive pieces, and yes, I can see now what you mean about the blobs and strands.
Many thanks for posting the photos  :)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 05, 2017, 06:57:12 PM
I'm old enough to remember playing with Sticklebricks.  ;D
You can make a lot of different shapes and images with just blobs and strands.

The tricky bit is getting them looking good. ;)
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 27, 2017, 05:45:45 AM

Hi,
I couldn’t resist posting a couple of close-ups - absolutely amazing ( i m o )  8)

Sticklebricks - hmmmm.......... ;D

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 27, 2017, 01:58:21 PM
 :)
You don't like my Sticklebrick analogy?
I have another. ;D
I was having a sly read of an old book in a charity shop on how to do glass engraving.
There were series of instructions on the various shapes that needed to be made - roundels, ovals and long cuts, and how to assemble several of these shapes together into dragonflies and butterflies and grasses etc.
Building a pictorial image up from it's very basic shapes. 8)
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 27, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
Hi,
I never saw it like that - I thought they worked their magic.
I’ve lost my innocence now.............
You’ll be telling me there’s no Father Christmas next  ;D

Oh well, you live and learn  ;)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 27, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
You were not here when the board was just getting going and the secret of putting controlled bubbles into glass was revealed.
You could hear the cries of;
"but that's cheating!" all up and down the length of the country.
Poor Max was upset for weeks. She had had visions of somebody sitting with a special syringe introducing them delicately, one by one, (or something like that). :)

I do have personal connections with the tooth fairy. You don't need to worry about her. 8)
but I can't help with santa.
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 28, 2017, 05:46:34 AM

Hi,
Going back to your sticklebricks ( which incidentally, I initially read as sticklebacks  ;D ), yes, the magic lies in having the skill to be able to arrange them into the shapes and patterns which work.

By the way I wasn’t being dismissive of your analogy ( hmmmm ) —just pondering  :)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2017, 11:36:59 AM
 :) We were both just being a little tongue in cheek, don't worry.  ;)
I gathered you do have a sense of humour. ;D
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 28, 2017, 12:10:58 PM

Hi,
I’d hate not to have a sense of humour   :)

Scott
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
Please, remember to apply it every time I get things wrong!
Title: Re: IOWSG Summer Fruits - Goldberry variant / derivative ?
Post by: Scott13 on September 29, 2017, 05:42:51 AM

Hi,
Somehow, I think it’s me that should be asking you to do that  ;D

Scott