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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: essi on September 24, 2017, 06:56:55 PM
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Picked this up today. It is 157mm high,306mm across the top and 116mm at the base and heavy.
The detail is very difficult to describe, the silver mica seems to more on the outer surface.
The method of manufacture I have no idea, is it a known technique?
The base ring has a green uv response.
I am stumped with this one.
Help needed,
Tim
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No idea. I suspect the mica is actually silver foil and the bowl newer than Art Deco though
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I'm going to have to disagree with Christine as I do think it is a piece from the 1930s to 40s. Stylistically it's not far from what WMF were making in the inter war years. It's also a little reminiscent of Reich/CMS production from the 40s. However, I can't find an exact match from either of these makers so far. The bowl is ringing a bell somehow. I'm sure I've seen a similar decor with cased colours and mica, maybe on a thirties Czech lampbase. I'll keep looking and see if I can turn up anything. What I can be sure of is that your bowl is a great piece whoever made it.
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Looking again at the piece, the ground foot and circular ground out pontil mark are spot on for WMF. The way the colours are laid on looks good too, but I still can't find another piece with this exact decor. It also lacks the crackle effect that's seen on much Ikora glass. Still I'm getting a strong WMF vibe from it: hopefully someone with more knowledge or a copy of the WMF book will drop in to confirm whether or not my suspicions are correct. Updating the thread title to something more descriptive might help too.
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http://www.humlernolan.com/Auctions/June-2012/Art-Glass/0665
Very similar but unfortunately no maker given
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Thanks to all who have responded. I know base wear is not always an accurate guide but to me this item had a bit of age about it.
I will delve into the possible WMF connection.
The picture of the glass for sale looks a dead ringer for my item.
Thanks again,
Tim
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From a purely self interest point of view to the moderators, could this topic get a run out in the German section on a possible wmf connection.
Thanks,
Tim
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Hi Tim,
very nice bowl!
I looked through the Ikora glass book, but couldn't find a match there.
And though I do agree that at first sight Ikora seems possible (shape, base finish), the technique looks somehow different to me.
I wonder if it is aquainted to this vase posted a while back, showing similar colour, swirling pattern and Mica:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41170.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41170.0.html)
Another one of these here under Not-Ysart: http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm (http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm)
Possible origin suggested was Czechoslovakia or Belgium...
Michael
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nice bowl Tim and a good find - regret not my area so unable to help with anything useful as to origin or age. Whilst I understand what is being implied here by the term art deco, it's well to remember that this term refers to a particular style or design rather a period, and I appreciate that your description doesn't suggest this bowl is c. 90 years old :) Something made yesterday may just as correctly be described as art deco as a some of the most iconic Lalique or distinctive angular furniture from the late '20s or '30s.
I could be very wrong, but imho this piece appears to have an ogee outline to the shape and doesn't come across as particularly deco in style, or at least it may have been a shape used far less commonly than others during that period.
I hope that you get an id eventually.
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From a purely self interest point of view to the moderators, could this topic get a run out in the German section on a possible wmf connection.
Thanks,
Tim
Hi Tim, not until we know it is German, sorry. ID requests belong in Glass. I can add WMF? to your topic subject instead though, I'll do that now. :)
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bizarrely as soon as I saw it I thought it was related somehow to a bowl I own which is thick heavy amber glass with green spaced out streaks in it. My bowl is similar in shape but with a different foot and has a short 'stem'. However, looking at the 'hurricane lamp' type shape vase that Rocco linked to, the short stem on my bowl also seems to be the same or very similar (see this thread for the vase Rocco linked to with similar decor to the OP's bowl - my bowl only has one ridge on the stem but that would fit with the size of the bowl v the height of the vase Rocco linked to from a design viewpoint. Otherwise I think the foot is also very similar between my bowl and the linked vase:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41170.msg227745.html#msg227745
I'm just waiting to see if my camera battery will charge and work and I'll post a pic of my bowl.
I am not sure they are linked to the lampbases which had mica in them and a net type decor effect iirc. But I do remember finding a 'cellophane glass' vase on an American site with a mark on it. I posted it here on the board https://www.rubylane.com/item/518922-419jax78-285a/Antique-Signed-Czech-Fine-Glass-Vase
Just posting it in case it helps id a maker eventually.
This is the link to that thread in case it helps one day
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,603.msg333769.html#msg333769
My bowl also has a neatly polished small pontil mark. It seems small to me given the size of the foot and the thickness and heft of the glass somehow. The foot on my bowl is also strangely profiled it is flattened somehow. Difficult to explain.
The pattern on the OP's bowl does remind me of a WMF bowl I have though but it has more similarities with my amber bowl overall and I don't get an instinct that my amber bowl and WMF bowl are the same maker. For some reason the amber bowl feels more'dense' and is very heavy for size - not what I expected when I picked it up.
Edited - apologies for the bad pics but my camera battery isn't charging properly:
side on pic and also one showing the stem which is the same ?? as the one Rocco linked to
So that's a long-winded way of me saying that if your bowl is the same decor as the vase Rocco linked to, and my bowl also has a link to it, then perhaps they all three are by the same maker.
There is another piece somewhere on the board with green streaks in a different shape here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,46203.msg259211.html#msg259211
and here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,45632.msg255266.html#msg255266
m
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Thank you all for your response to my posting.
Even after all the good information supplied it seems hard to tie it down to a country let alone a manufacturer.
The bun foot must have been very popular style,30s,40s,50s.
M, does the foot of any of your glass of this type show a uv response?.
Not sure if it shows well in the picture but the bun foot is a single colour and responds green to a uv light.
Will be taken of the shelf soon, pot plants have come back into the house after a summer in the garden !!!
Thanks again and will keep on looking.
Tim
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Not much to update on this request.
I have been looking at WMF on ebay.de and have seen a few very close matches to my bowl.
Whilst looking at the images and reading a few of the descriptions, it seems there was a type of production called unika (one off items).
I am not suggesting that my bowl is part of this range ,but does anybody know if this range was signed or not?.
Thanks to Michael (rocco) for looking in the wmf ikora book for me , but the picture on the front cover of the wmf glass pottery metal 1925 to 1950 seems to have some
similarities to my bowl. I do not have this book so I can not check out who is credited as the designer.
I know this is all conjecture but maybe someone will put a positive id to this bowl.
Tim
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Hi, I do not have much to add, except that the vase with a mark mentioned by flying free from Ruby Lane definitely reads
made in
Czecho
Slovakia
Like other "cellophane" type pieces, these are generally regarded as Czech, albeit without a lot of documentary evidence. I happen to agree and several factories in the area of Bohemia that are not well documented produced good quality glass such as this. Agreeing with a comment by rocco earlier, I suggest CMS Krasno, a Moravian Czech factory, which was not a small factory, which made ranges involving techniques that could have easily produced most of these items, including the item in this thread, also finishing pieces with a similar base finish technique. I know CMS Reich produced some items that were only labelled with a paper and foil label, not acid marked, which many CMS Reich pieces also were known to have. The location of the pattern books of CMS Reich Krasno are not known to me. So, this piece is still slightly mysterious!
It would be interesting to know, re. WMF, if their unika pieces were unsigned.
Robert (bOBA)
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Not absolutely dead certain these are related but 99% sure they are.
On this site this ball vase with flared out rim is identified as Carl Wünsch, designer Karl John:
Vaza Rhodos http://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/vaza-rhodos-1741/detail/
There is another similar version with blue swirls in the brown swirls in Jug form here:
Same maker - http://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/dzban-chobotnice-4258/detail/
I suspect the OP's vase is a version on this theme?
m
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Thank you M for taking the time to run through the Bohemian glass website for me.
The items you highlight look very similar and I would agree with you 99%.
This website I am sure, will answer quite a few postings on the G M B.
Thanks again,
Tim
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I think this is one and the same piece - The Dr. Fischer auction doesn't show a design but the description looks similar:
Within their description it is described as Oktopus decor Kugelvase:
https://www.auctions-fischer.de/kataloge/online-kataloge/220-i-europaeisches-glas-studioglas.html?L=&kategorie=101&artikel=37887&L=&cHash=1a2e558d12
Auction 220-1 Europäisches Glas & Studioglas
'750 - KUGELVASE
Unterhalb der Mündung eingeschnürt. Dekorausführung in der Art der Jonolyth-Gläser: zwischen den Schichten in Braun bis Blaugrün ausgeführter Unterwasserdekor mit Oktopus, Fond Gelbgrün gefleckt. Bodenkugel. H. 16 cm Siehe Fußnote zu Nr. 746.
Ernst Hantich & Co, Haida, nach 1931'
Picture on Artnet which I think is the same piece(?):
http://www.artnet.com/artists/hantich-co/kugelvase-LRX-VJe8yemPpavkbcmiKg2
No reference source.