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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: thewingedsphinx on February 21, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
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Hi, I would be grateful if anyone can give me some info on this glass book vase. It's around 11cm high unmarked.
I've seen a reference that Burtles Tate made a book vase/ink well but I don't think this is it. Any ideas?
Thanks Mike
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Not a piece that I recall ever having seen as a Registered design Mike, and my opinion is that at this size, and without a top, it's unlikely to have been an ink well - do you recall where you saw the reference to B. & T.?
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Hi Paul
The Burtles Tate rd501821/2 salt cellar ink pot referred in " Manchester Pressed Glass" a PGCC publication.
While looking for that I came across a picture in Marking times no.30 of the same piece saying. It was sold full of sweets at Christmas in Victorian times , but still have no clue who made it.
Thanks Mike
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thanks Mike - a sweet container seems quite likely ............. "in Victorian times" ....... well, that narrows it down then ;D ;D
Do you know if pix of the B.T. Rd. Nos. you mention might be of use on the Board's archive - I don't presently have them (they date to May 1907 so not Victorian), but if you think of use I can grab them next time I visit Kew.
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Hi Paul,
Sorry I don’t have pictures only this illustration for salt cellar/ink well.
Mod: Image had to be removed because of Board policy on copyrighted material.
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Mike, sorry to have taken a while to get back to this. And thanks for confirming the source of the illustration as being in a leaflet from the Pressed Glass Collectors Club, which does mean it will be removed from the Board.
I am also informed that the same illustration is in Jenny Thompson's book too, but that is also subject to copyright. And other folks' searches of the internet have not found an equivalent image.
Paul, it would be very useful indeed if you can "grab the details" for the B & T Rd numbers.
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sorry, bit thick here and until Kevin mentioned that a drawing for B. & T. No. 501822 is shown in Jenny Thompson, I was unaware of this one and its companion 501821 - though I'm still unsure as to exactly how these two Nos. are related to each other. Do they both relate to this one design of the 'salt cellar and ink pot' - or is it the case that 501822 is a separate item altogether? I'd suspect the former, but really not sure - so confirm I'll grab pix of whatever it is that these Registered Nos. when I'm next at Kew .............. probably the back end of next week.
So if anyone has additional items they want, please post and I'll do best to oblige.
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That's fine Kevin, thanks,
I was mainly interested in the Victorian pressed glass candy container which looks as if it's off to a sunnier climate unless I receive a better offer now on eBay.
Paul there was only one B&T illustration (salt cellar/ink well) in the Manchester Glass publication and the rd number reference given was 501821/2
Thanks Mike
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.............. perhaps a novel way of combining the salt and ink so that it was camouflaged when eating off your blue and white ;) Thanks Mike, though not sure why Jenny Thompson's illustration is accompanied by the one Rd. No. Could be a little clearer - or not - when I get the photos.
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here is the link to cross reference Registrations Nos. 501821/2, showing the TNA Kew images of the 'book-shaped' salt and ink pot. https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,66434.msg371581.html#msg371581
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To my surprise, I found another one of these in my folks collection in white vitro-porcelain, still not sure if the design is BT though so I added it to this post.
Cheers Mike
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Hello Mike - only my opinion, but I suspect not BT - I think we would have found a reference to their factory design had it been from them.
this most recent of your examples of the 'empty book' design has an almost buff appearance, although that might simply be how it's coming across on my screen, but it certainly doesn't have a white look to my eyes.
I have further BT factory drawings from my trip to Kew earlier this week, which I'll post here eventually, but not aware that this design is amongst them -regret to say.
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Hi Paul, I thought it was just grubby but no matter how hard I scrub it still looks the same, our files have it as "off white". It's definitely not polar white like the loganberry article in my other post.
I shall be requesting some more help soon on an opalescent sea green jug we have as BT as I cannot find another attributed comparison. Thanks for your help.
Cheers Mike
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There is one of these "book vases" in a local antiques centre with "for a good little boy" on the front with a lid which I'm guessing rare given so many do not have them, I thought of this thread when I picked it up Thursday.
So i would think sweet jars.
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Hi Chris, yes that's the same statement I found in "Marking times " for a good little boy.
Filled with candy and given as presents at Christmas etc, I think it also said some were sealed with a wax lid.
Well done for finding a complete one.
Cheers Mike
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I will pick it up tomorrow and put a pick on if it's still there it was not expensive I just do not have the Storage and it was a bit battered to sell on.
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Here it is, the base has been ground flat and the rim looks fire polished, the lid is just about hanging together.
It measures 4 1/2 inches in height, 3 1/4 inches in width and has a depth of 1 3/4 inches.
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more pics
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The book American historical glass by Bessie m Lindsey quotes this style as a " Bible Match-Book" page 217 made in flint amber and opaque and that blue and white marble glass see above piccies are very rare. :D
Cheers Mike