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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Laird on July 17, 2018, 03:03:37 PM
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I have this heavy drinking glass, engraved with vines and grapes. I suppose it might be described as a rummer.
Rim diameter is 9.5 cm, and height 10.5 cm.
I suspect it could be Georgian. It's not a design I have seen before.
Opinions?
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What does the base look like?, its the most important part, its shaped like drinking glases from the 1930's to 1960's.
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It has a polished pontil, while there are plenty of the expected 'usage scratches' on the base rim.
From my reading, I understand that a rough or polished pontil is not a definitive indication of age.
The engraving design has the 'sense' of similar engravings I have seen on early Victorian glassware.
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Please would you add a photo showing the base as that will help more than just a written description. :)
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Where's Paul when you need him?
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The base....
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It's probably Walsh or Webb's1930's , Google Walsh fruiting vine glass and you we see similar shapes.
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Yeah I'd say early 20th century and rummers are usually taller, have short stems with a wide foot and open bowl (usually a round funnel or bucket shape bowl) They would also be made in 2 or 3 pieces joined together not one whole piece like yours, that simply looks like a tumbler shaped to look like a cup. Hope that helps!
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I don't think that looks like the Walsh design. But difficult to tell on the photographs that have been shown.
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I have viewed examples of Walsh glasses online and there are so many similarities that I am confident that this is indeed a Walsh glass.
Many thanks for all the help.
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Hi, what are the similarities you see please?
I have a couple of Walsh tumblers and they are quite different to the one you show, both in terms of cut and also the way the engraved design is done. The shape is a similar bonnet shape though, but cutting and design very different.
I'm just wondering if perhaps they are different because of age when produced perhaps?
Mine are marked Walsh iirc.
The Walsh fruiting vine pattern I think is typified by a particular marker to the way it's engraved (open to correction here). Your fruiting vine pattern doesn't appear to be engraved with that marker. But it is difficult to tell on the photos.
Have you checked the base to see if yours are signed Walsh? They might well be,it can be very difficult to see the Walsh stamp so best to look for it under very bright light.
I have the Walsh book but it is incredibly difficult to look up their designs as the patterns are so tiny,and no time at the mo to check.
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Supporting a Walsh identification, in my uninformed opinion, compared with an example image found online, I thought the detail of the engraved design looked very similar, as though it might have been done by the same person. This is the only indicator I have.
Against this, the actual shape of the glass, is significantly not identical to the online image example.
There is no base signature/ID.
What marker should I look for in the fruiting vine pattern?
For comparison, these are images of 1. The online Walsh example and 2. My glass,
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I'm 90% sure this glass is by Stuart I have found two different patterns on the same shape glass the last couple of days both were signed. Big polished pontils I have took a picture of one I will put on when I get the chance to reduce it down.