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Title: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Beege on October 16, 2018, 02:58:09 PM

Hallo all.
I have a set of five glasses which are very delicate (fine glass and therefore light). Height 4, rim diameter 3".
The pontil seems to be smooth and raised a little (rather than flat or rough).
Do any of you fine folk recognise the maker or perhaps identify their use (seem small for wine)?
Thank you for your help.
Jack

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: flying free on October 16, 2018, 03:42:33 PM

difficult to tell but I think Val St Lambert used that cutting style/design.

Could they be champagne glasses maybe?

m

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Anne Tique on October 16, 2018, 03:58:29 PM

At VSL they call this delicate cutting 'dentelle' which translates as lacework. I'll see what I can find, I've not seen it before on a glass done like this, just the stem.

Just for the anecdote, in french we call these small glasses 'verre à gouttes' … a glass for drops. It was, and still is used for stronger stuff such as liqueurs, drunk in small quantities, hence the expression still used today 'tu veux une goutte?' Fancy a drop? :D

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: flying free on October 16, 2018, 04:13:40 PM

ooh thank you for the information on the size and usage and name of cutting technique.  I love learning something new.  And the saying :)

I've also not seen that cutting on a bowl before, only it reminded me of the stems that were cut in that way.
It doesn't look quite as 'crisp' and neat as the stem cutting but that might be the photographs?

m

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Anne Tique on October 16, 2018, 04:23:51 PM

Normally you'll find the stem 'dentellé' or a just small part in the overall decor on the glass but VSL wasn't the only one doing this.

I'm not sure about the crispness, if that is a word, too ... I thought my reading glasses were dirty, but no.

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Beege on October 16, 2018, 04:58:21 PM

Hi 'm' and Anne. Thank you for your speedy contributions.
Liqueur glasses makes sense, considering their size.
With regards to the 'crispness', are you referring to how sharp the bowl decorations and edges to the stem are? They seem quite crisp to me, but I have little knowledge to make an informed judgement. I've tried to take better pictures in a different light, but its quite difficult to get a good focus.
Jack.

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: flying free on October 16, 2018, 05:26:46 PM

yes I was referring to the 'zipper' cutting on the bowl of the glass.

The stem isn't faceted is it?  I was presuming it was just a  round smooth elongated stem that hadn't been cut in long facets.

m

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Anne Tique on October 16, 2018, 05:29:41 PM

Is that what it is called in English? Zipper cut? Just asking ...

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: flying free on October 16, 2018, 05:32:41 PM

ooh I don't know.  But that is what it reminds me of - hmm,need to go look that up now.

Crispness - yes I believe that is a word :)

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: flying free on October 16, 2018, 05:38:00 PM

I think that kind of design might be referred to as 'zipper' cut on American glass.  Perhaps that's where I got it from.
But I think that the VSL phrase  'dentellé' which you used to describe it should be the correct phrase if it is on VSL glass.
So please ignore my previous usage of the word zipper :)

m

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Anne Tique on October 16, 2018, 06:10:27 PM

But we don't know yet if it's VSL, do we? So zipper cut's fine with me  ;D

Title: Re: Small, elegant glasses (5), raised pontil, unknown maker
Post by: Beege on October 16, 2018, 09:51:31 PM

Yes m, the stems are smooth...not facetted.

m/Anne, I've looked at a few VSL works and whilst I cannot find the same cut as on my glasses, I have noted some shape similarities.

Have you any ideas how I may progress with identification?

Thank you again for your help with this.
Jack