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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Scott13 on November 02, 2018, 12:06:21 PM
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Hi,
Found this in a Charity Shop and liked its cut and polished scalloped rim and its relatively unfussy
shallow cut design.
It looks as if it’s been wheel cut and has a lot of base wear.
Any help in trying to identify it would be appreciated. And thanks for looking :)
Ht —18cm ( 7” )
Width of rim — 12.5cm ( 5” )
Wt — 865gm
Scott
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Hi,
Do you think this one on eBay looks somewhat similar?
Its shape and how its rim has been cut and polished.
Different pattern of course but some of the cuts look similar—fans at the top , slices ( ?? ) at the base of its body.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-England-Glass-Co-Flint-Glass-Diamond-Point-Fan-6-1-2-Vase-/133167043901
Many thanks for looking :)
Scott
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I don't t think your vase could be anything other than wheel cut - that is, as opposed to wheel engraved - and although the outline shape matches noticeably with the ebay item, I think that's where the similarity ends. Pieces with cutting similar to yours Scott I've always thought of as Continental - exactly where I'm not sure ………. Bohemia, Germany, eastern Europe somewhere, I see things in charity shops with this rather naïve simple cutting that have a likeness to yours, and they often have a very slight straw tint, so probably soda glass that doesn't ring. Such things rarely get any press room, so doubt they have any value or rarity, and I'd forget any hope of an id - just won't happen. Heavens knows what date they were made - between the wars might be my guess, but up to the 1950s wouldn't surprise me.
As for the ebay glass - I suppose we have to assume that the seller has some proof of attribution that this is New England manufacture/cutting - I've looked through Jane Spillman's book on States cut glass industry but most of her entries are for material that's more obviously ABP.
The cutting is nice enough, but doesn't really shout ABP to me - fan splits, scalloped rim, small relief diamonds and radial cut base star don't quite have the extravagance of early C20 States cutting, but not everything was awash with flamboyant excess - only 90% of it. ;)
Rims like the ebay piece are unusual for States cut glass - mostly they appear to have been pathologically obsessed with saw teeth and notched rims - but this one might just represent a Colonial influenced style.
I understand that identification of States cut glass associated with the latter part of the C19 and first quarter C20 has the added difficulty, caused by the quite separate industries of making the glass, and the subsequent cutting - a substantial demarcation of working practices not found to any extent, in the U.K, in that period. This problem appears to be somewhat offset by the availability of catalogue information available to native collectors - a luxury that the U.K. doesn't have.
Anyway, you can now put your glass back into the charity shop, safe in the knowledge that we shall never know who made it. ;) ;) ;)
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Many thanks for your reply Paul—not what I wanted to hear ;D but there you go, you-win-some-and-you-lose-some.
I’ll take it back to the charity shop, I wonder if I’ll be able to get my £2 back. I’ve only had it a year >:( ;D
Scott
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;D ;D your policy of 'returns' overlooks a substantial part of the reason for buying - which is - apart from rare instances of buying for resale, we should really only buy because we like something.
But know what you mean - a high % of my purchases go back - think I've got over the obsession of hoarding in boxes - or have I ;)
I find still, after all these years that mostly I'm buying because I think it's rare/it's WFs./everyone else has missed a gem - it's the old collector thing coming out in me - so difficult to shake off. :(
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I’m sure it won’t be long before they identify the collector gene or genes ::)
It’s reassuring to know we’re all the same ;D
Scott
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I always associate those little grape-y groups of satinated texture rondels with unpolished long cuts, in association with nice big polished rondels to be something of general bohemian origin and not always found on the best quality metal but everyday, using sort of stuff. :)
But if you like it and need something to put flowers in, it's perfect. ;D
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Hi Sue,
I’ve already got far too many everyday flower vases, so this one will probably go back to the charity shop.
However because I quite like it I’m still thinking about it —that’s the hoarder in me speaking ;D ;D
Scott
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It is a chance to study it properly and get a proper feel for this sort of glass.
After a few years, you'll finally decide it's the right time to go back to the charity shop.
Kind of like waiting for months until some bit of vegetable lurking at the bottom of the fridge is really, really dead before you put it in the bin. ;D
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Thanks for your input Sue - I’ve decided to keep it a bit longer ::) anyway I’ve got other stuff already boxed and ready to go back to charity shops ( not bad for a hardwired hoarder ;) )
I liked your veg in the fridge analogy ;D
Scott
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I'm well aware of my hoarding behaviour. ;)
You never know when something will turn out to be exactly what you need, later on.
Normally 2 days after you did, finally, throw it out after 27 years. ::)
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Yes, I think it’s called ‘ Natures Law ‘ ( that’s the polite version ) ;D
Scott
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I reckon it just goes to prove I was correct to have hoarded and wrong to chuck.
So I will continue to hoard, but for longer. ;D ;D ;D