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Title: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Ekimp on December 28, 2018, 03:56:38 PM
A pair of these arrived this morning. I was bidding on some Georgian glasses but unfortunately missed out...on the rebound I somewhat impulsively bought these. I think they were made by the filigrana technique using canes with bubbles equispaced within the cane (instead of colour). Whilst waiting for delivery I haven’t been able to find any other examples. Any information on origins and age would be appreciated, thanks.

The pontil scar has been ground and polished and there is some wear on the base. 4.5 inches tall.
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 28, 2018, 08:31:09 PM
Looks like Stevens and Williams Jewel to me
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: keith on December 28, 2018, 08:57:41 PM
It does doesn't it but the base finish is different and the bubbles are wider  ???
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Anne on December 29, 2018, 12:25:33 AM
There's a pair the same shape but slightly taller in cranberry/clear on here but sadly no base views are shown. http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/Stevens%20&%20Williams%20Antique%20Glass.htm
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: keith on December 29, 2018, 12:54:36 AM
Some more to compare with...
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Ekimp on December 29, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Thanks for the info everyone - now I know what to look for it’s a lot easier searching. I’ve only got a few reference books on glass but found the technique used described in British Glass 1800-1914 (...not filigrana!). It says most items with vertical rows of air bubbles are engraved with the registry number on the base. As it says ‘most’ and not ‘all’ then I don’t suppose that’s a problem.
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: keith on December 29, 2018, 11:32:54 AM
Still not sure yours are S&W's and without disagreeing with Charles H. I have yet to see one that doesn't have a reg' mark.
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: glassobsessed on December 29, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Another pair, exact same shape on this page: http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/Stevens%20&%20Williams%20Antique%20Glass.htm

pair itself: http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/images/Stevans%20&%20Williams%20Jewell%20air%20trap%20vases.jpg

Given the colour shading to clear I would consider Harrach as well.

This is interesting too, scroll nearly all the way to the bottom of this huge and fascinating page to Harrach-02 for a ribbed vase with bubbles:
https://www.loetz.com/identifying-loetz-glass/early-loetz

John
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: keith on December 29, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
Looks like I'm wrong, again  ::)
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Ekimp on December 29, 2018, 05:23:29 PM
...so to summarise, it may or may not be Stevens and Williams  :)
I see on the antiquecolouredglass page they also have a S&W’s jewel vase similar to the one in Keith’s photo. In the description of that vase they mention the reg. no. but it’s not mentioned for the pair wasted of vases, so I might infer that their vases aren’t marked either...also must be expensive as there are no prices!
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 29, 2018, 05:42:59 PM
I think if Andrew Lineham says they are S&W you can be pretty confident they are. Harrach 02 also doesn't have bubbles (if at all)  in the same way; it has swirls. David has a piece of unmarked Jewel
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: glassobsessed on December 31, 2018, 03:35:24 PM
Given that both pairs are shaded and unmarked while all the other examples seem to be single colour and marked throws up a question mark as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: keith on December 31, 2018, 05:54:41 PM
I agree, the base finish is very different also.
Title: Re: Filigrana vase with bubble canes?
Post by: glassobsessed on December 31, 2018, 06:17:36 PM
Missed that Keith. The way the bubbles run all the way to the centre?

The rims are much plainer on the pairs, not crimped and shaped, bit of a different style.