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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: LinzC on March 15, 2019, 07:49:17 AM
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Hi,
I was wondering if anybody knows who registered 684000 please?
My books stop before then, I can't find it online and it's not in the gallery. :-\
It's quite large, 8.5" diameter across the top and just over 2.5" tall.
Thanks.
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Holborn glass works ltd, 1921 ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you very much.
I've not heard of them before. Someone else to go and look up :D
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Oooh, 70 King Street, South Shields; a relatively local one. Excellent. ;D
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New to me also ;D ;D
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Lindsey you can request a lookup if you want to know more about the registration - Paul S has kindly offered to do them when he pops along to the National Archives. To make a request go here and add the details: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52152.0.html
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Registration date 6 July 1921.
LinzH, may I have your permission to add copies of the photos to the GMB RD database, please?
Fred.
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Of course you can Fred. No problem at all.
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Thanks Anne
Would there be much information on the registration document relevant to the company, or just the design registered? For example, name of company representative or just the company name?
The little I have found today is that the company was incorporated in 1920 and was dissolved before 1932. ::)
What I find intriguing is that Edward Moore & Co was based on West Holborn in South Shields and went out of business 1913 (being operated at that time by his widow and son). Yet some accounts state that they struggled on into the 1920's. I'm wondering if there is confusion between the two companies, or if Holborn Glass Works may have been a downsizing and rebranding exercise, especially as the general consensus seems to be that Edward Moore & Co was the last pressed glass manufacturer in South Shields.
There's certainly no comparison on size of the business premises. Tyne Flint Glass Works was situated next to the dock and King Street, as it was at the time, was a mixture of commercial and residential properties. Number 70 is currently a shoe shop. :-\
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It tends to vary, sometimes it gives the agent details as well as the maker and address, but it will also usually have drawings of the design. The look up is free though, so it might add something.
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So, a little update on Holborn Glass Works Ltd.
It seems that 70 King Street was split into a shop at ground level and business chambers upstairs. This seems to be given as the business address of Holborn Glassworks, however their works address was the old Edward Moore & Co (Tyne Flint) Glass Works on West Holborn.
The company was incorporated in 1920, however they voluntarily liquidated the business in June 1922.
It appears that they only registered one design (class 3 anyway), which was number 684000.
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Hmmm that's interesting, as according to Grace's Guide Edward Moore closed in 1922 as well. https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Edward_Moore_and_Co (https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Edward_Moore_and_Co)
There's a book reference given too Lindsey that might be worth a check up, perhaps a local library will have it?
"Lost Industries of the Tyne" by Alan Morgan, Ken Smith and Tom Yellowley. Published 2013. ISBN 978 1 85795 216 2
Oh and some interesting photos of the glassworks here too https://www.southtynesidehistory.co.uk/archive/industry/glass-works? (https://www.southtynesidehistory.co.uk/archive/industry/glass-works?)
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Yes I have that book. They state Edward Moore & company kept their business going until 1922 which isn't entirely correct. ;) The glassworks was operational until 1922 but not by Edward Moore & Co Ltd.
Depending on which book you read, you get different dates, so I just went back to the original sources to clear things up.
I've attached a clipping from the London Gazette, 2nd May 1913. ;D
I also have the liquidation details from the London Gazette for Holborn Glass Works, and they state an Extraordinary General Meeting was held at the Works of the company, West Holborn, South Shields. (Which was the address of the old Moores glassworks) That meeting was held 7th June 1922.
The names given in the liquidation notice match the names given in a paper called "Rise & Fall of the Glass Industry in South Shields" published by the South Shields Archaeological & Historical Society in 1968. ;)