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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: LinzC on March 30, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
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Hi,
I was wondering if somebody could kindly look up the following RD No for me please, 814921.
I've looked online, and can see it would have been mid 1936, but it's not listed. I couldn't find it in the glass gallery either.
Thank you. :)
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I've added it to the lookup request topic for you Lindsey: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52152.msg378241.html#msg378241 (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52152.msg378241.html#msg378241). Once Paul has had chance to go and look them up he updates the topic here for you with the additional data, but please be patient. :)
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Thank you very much Anne. I have no problem waiting. :)
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would agree end Aug./beg. Sept. 1936, and possibly another CLASS IV design which would explain its absence from the Blue Book. National Archive details - assuming I can find this one - will be posted in due course. Possibly a butter dish??
In view of the fact that original factory drawings invariably omit dimensions, it would be of interest if those details could be added to this thread, unless of course I've missed seeing them.
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Measurements are as follows -
Base 13cm (L) x 7.5cm (W) x 5cm (H) - including the rim it is 16cm (L) x 11cm (W)
Lid 13cm (L) x 7.5cm (W) x a little over 5cm (H)
When both pieces are together it stands 10cm tall
Thank you.
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thanks - of course, had I read the subject heading properly I'd would have seen you'd already mentioned 'butter dish'.
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I think the 'somebody' Lindsey is only ever me - I would have thought there might be one or two Board members who lived within 20 - 30 miles of Kew - London is a very populated area - and TNA is a very interesting public resource. I hope to be at Kew on Tuesday, and will post archive pix etc. assuming I can find this one.
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Awwwww Paul, if I lived nearer I'd be there constantly too, but sadly it's a long way from Cumbria. :'( I (and am sure many others here) really appreciate you being the "somebody" who does these lookups for the board. They add so much to our knowledge here and in the wider glass world, so THANK YOU! :-*
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Thank you Paul. I had hoped it was going to be in the Blue Book when I originally posted, I don't have access to one myself.
I used to live near Kew and visited the gardens regularly but never made it to the archives. I've been desperately trying to figure out a way of making a "day" trip to TNA, and think I've managed to work it out (involving two overnight coaches), but need to put the trip on hold until September because of family commitments and studying. I'll be clueless when I get there though ::) I've only ever used our local archives when researching the history of my house with the kids as a home ed. project. :D
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you will need a reader's ticket to progress beyond the front door, and this did incur a small charge, but not sure if that applies still - if you bring their web site up on the screen you will see what they require from you prior to letting you loose in the main rooms for research.
Would be disappointing in the extreme to make the sort of journey you describe and find a problem when you reached Kew. Wish you luck if you do make a visit. Up to twelve items can be pre-ordered - by phone- a day or two in advance - this does save a wait of up to an hour or so, which happens if you wait until you arrive before ordering.
It's not difficult to run down the CLASS III Nos., plus the accompanying Registers which provide text data of company names etc. - if you have a question, and you think it possible I might be able to help, let me know some time.
If it's of any interest I have a surplus photo-copy set of the Blue Book pages which you are welcome to have gratis - a few of the pages have my annotations - very discreet and almost unnoticeable, and they don't in any way affect the data.
Just a thought - send me a PM with postal details if of interest.
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failure I'm afraid. The attached picture of the Register page shows that a Certificate for this Registration wasn't issued, and as can be seen the previous No. suffered the same fate - in view of the fact that both Registrations were dated 27th August 1936, this might just lead to speculation that both Nos. were originally granted to the same Registrant, but that's only an opinion. As can be seen, both Nos. were originally declared as CLASS IV, the most common reason for omission from the Blue Book.
Unfortunately, the Representations book is without any image of 814921, so in view of this lack of information it's unlikely we shall ever know details of the Registrant etc.
Just for the record, Kew references are …………… for the Representations book (the images) it's BT 52/2052 - for the Register (details of the Registrant) it's BT 53/72
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Aw, what a shame.
Thank you so much for going to the trouble and effort of looking it up for me. It's very much appreciated.
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fortunately, this happens very rarely, but nonetheless disappointing. What's with this sound 'aw' - seems suddenly very popular. Is it a gender thing?? :-):-):-).
You now need to find something that we can locate - we will of course save up one or two Registration requests for when you visit Kew in September;-)
Other matter posted today.
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I'm not sure if it's a gender thing or a northern thing. Probably a bit of both! ;)
I'll give looking up the registration details a go. You'll never learn if you don't try! I want to get my hands on the incorporation and liquidation papers for Holborn Glass Works though. ;D
Thank you.
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have you tried Kew yet for those details in TNA online pages, Lindsey, or spoken to them - I'm more than happy to make some effort toward an initial search for you, unless of course you're already part way through researching them?
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I searched online and found TNA hold the details for Holborn Glass Works Ltd incorporation (1920), BT31/25859/166912 & the liquidators accounts BT34/4563/166912, which it states was between 1920&1932. However they're not listed in the 1928 PG Directory.
Knowing how much paper work can be in company papers, and not what will be relevant until I see it (other than names, addresses, directors, etc), I didn't contact Kew about it yet. I was planning on working my way through the available local archives first. It's a research-in-progress! :)
Thank you very much for your kind offer.
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Assuming your circa September visit works out, then seeing these items in person will be the best way to acquire the information you need ……… I do know that commissioning Kew Archive employees to work for you can be costly.
Sorry, but what is PG?
A few years back ;-) I worked in WC2 - part of which is in Holborn - interesting part of town.
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Sorry, PG = Pottery Gazette ;)
I looked at the relevant costs for getting the research done and posted to me, if I understood the terms correctly, it was £16 for them to take a look so they could get back to you with details of the documents, then you had to say which pages you wanted, and were charged per page. I figured it would be cheaper to travel down myself and do several things at once! :D
I thought Holborn Glassworks was going to be London based as well, but the '22 Pottery Gazette Directory gives an address in King Street, South Shields. As Edward Moores glass works were based on West Holborn in South Shields, I thought it quite interesting. :)
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thanks re pg.
Regarding the two Board of Trade references you've posted Lindsey, I can of course look at these and take some photos - and email them to you - if that might save you the long and tedious trip to west London. Think I did something similar for Anne (Mod.) some year or two back) re a Czech. company.
However, if you're intent on making the trip south - to include other matters - then will ignore.
Let me know some time.
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Thank you for the offer Paul. I will bear that in mind, just in case things don't go to plan.
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You did Paul, and much appreciated it was too.