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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: samantta on April 18, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
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Hey, once again
wanted vase manufacturer, unfortunately, except that it is beautiful, I can not write anything about it.
Best wishes
:) :) :) :) :)
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I can wait someone, something
:) :) :) :)
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For some reason I am sure I have seen something online that these are made in Italy.
I remember being surprised, my instinct being they might have been made in Czechoslovakia.
But I could be remembering wrongly - sorry not a lot of help but perhaps something to start searching for.
m
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You're doing better than I am, m. :)
All I can think of when I look at this is cake. :-[
It looks like really fancy sugar icing.
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I think this is more likely to be Czech than Italian
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Christine yes me too - but I definitely remember seeing somewhere they were made in Italy as the surprise at that is what made me file it away in my brain. Obviously I could be mis-remembering though - that is always possible ;D
m
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hmm ... wondering what you write :)
in the first version, I thought it was the Czech Republic but I excluded it
I also saw it somewhere but unfortunately escaped from my brain drawers, maybe Italy ???
I'm looking all the time
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I will have a search and see if I can find something that might have a 'made in Italy' label or whatever it was that made me remember this.
I am in agreement with Christine as I said earlier on - my first instinct would be Czech Republic but ... I just have that niggling feeling about Italy for some reason.
m
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this is not what I was remembering but... it might be similar to whatever stuck in my brain - it's not the same as samantta's in that it is nowhere near as intricate but it is something that has some raised enamel and the brightly coloured enamel leaves and is also a piece I would have thought might have been made in the Czech Republic as opposed to Italy.
What do we think?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/563172309/vecchia-murano-venezia-italian-amber
This one also appears to have a label - again raised floral enamels and leave sbut nowhere near as intricate as the original.
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/630582929/vecchia-murano-glass-vases-aqua-blue-24k?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=vecchia+murano+glass&ref=sr_gallery-1-2
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no, no, that's not what's going on, it's 0.8mm thick, what was it that Murano was doing ?? for me it is Bohemia Glas thin and not this enamel is not the work of flowers.
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so your glass has a cut, polished and well bevelled rim, is quite thick glass and has a beautifully polished flat base?
Then I think look at Czechoslovakia as first port of call. Did Egermann make pieces like this/still make pieces like this?
m
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There are no cuts, it is polished, painted with enamel and finished with glass or porcelain flowers
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I would not know the manufacterer and perhaps I'm completely wrong, but at a first guess Italy comes to mind too, in an older style but dating from the 50's/60's.
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Anne ....
ok, we think of the two and we are looking, dreams from my eyelids kill this specimen, I suspect that he is older but we will see ....
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Interesting vase here with an Egermann label - similar type to the two I linked to with Italian labels:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/226032-egermann-czech-bohemian-gold-high-enamel
The only thing they have in common with the original piece is the high raised enamel flowers, but they do look quite thick glass as well.
And I agree with Samantta that the original piece does look a bit older than those I am linking to.
m
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another Egermann labelled piece here with scrolls and flowers on:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Egermann-Czech-Bohemian-Glass-Art-Cobalt-Blue-Crystal-And-Gold-Bowl-High-Enamel-/223091630992?hash=item33f14c2390
So I'm thinking it might be Egermann but older than all these seemingly mass produced gilded enamel pieces? or a more expensive range perhaps?
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a, maybe it's Moser ???
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hhm, see this piece for a piece that is heavily gilded (like the ones I linked to) but has a dropping spray of many flowers in raised enamel (like the original piece) - also Egermann
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/czech-bohemian-egermann-24kt-gold-414099740
Egermann seem to use patterns and ideas for many many years, re-worked and redesigned but similar ideas.
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for white he is on Egerman. He made gold in reds, he did not make yellow in a transparent glass :(
this is Egerman from around 1850, inkwell, praevipost :D
https://www.rubylane.com/item/518922-2299sk1216x2e154/Biedermeier-Egermann-Glass-Enamel-Chinese-Jugglers
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pretty! did you mean the stopper is not original to the piece ?
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so it's not original, I'm looking for another one :P
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I thought perhaps Moser as I had a cobalt perfume bottle with similar enamel flowers and scrolls, but the thickness of the glass made me less sure.
Have just found this on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310332019036?ul_noapp=true (sorry Anne if this is the wrong way to put the link - am a bit rusty)
I thought the thickness and finish on the top edge as well as the flowers, look similar to the OP's vase.
Cat
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How does the seller know they are definitely Moser? Are they signed or labelled? I couldn't see any evidence in the listing but might have missed something :-\
m
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maybe this ???
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/36592399_moser-layered-flower-square-cobalt-glass-vase
sory Anne ;)
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again, is it signed Moser?
or labelled even?
There are many pieces on the net sold as 'Moser' but which are not.
I don't know if these are possibly by Moser but without at least finding some/one signed or labelled then I would have to query that.
m
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re the flakon/ink well you showed here
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68074.msg378577.html#msg378577
- this has a similar foot
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5746358_254-vase-egermann-glass-antique-vintage-old
and here again some similarities:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5746359_255-schenkkanne-egermann-glass-tankard-antique-vintage
They date it c.1835. I don't know if yours is as early but maybe a bit earlier than 1850?
m
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Well, no signatures attributed to Moser and here is always a dilemma whether Moser?
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I
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>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
everything would be ok if not for the thickness and purity of the glass, it confuses me and still has carousels of ignorance.
In the meantime, I wish you a good night, I hope that we will find something tomorrow and we will find out, stop soggy through my vase, greet and until tomorrow.
I
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Moser is wishful thinking in most cases. This high enamel was/is made in Italy and Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic and even in Japan in very similar styles and over a long period. It was the shape of the glass and the overall pastel effect that made me think Czech rather than Italian and older rather than newer
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I would say it is Czech going on the style and the applied décor and the colourway I will check my books for further reference for you.
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The style of enamel looks like Moser to me.
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Hi Mdina Glass, do you have a reference for that please?
Thanks
m
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Im looking to find the raised flower relief now to put with the raised enamel décor.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjO1Mi1ytzhAhVIz4UKHViODWkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myantiquemall.com%2Fczechbohemianmoserartglass%2Fczechbohemianmoserartglass.html&psig=AOvVaw0ojH7LWwz71JZ_OBfepazc&ust=1555777674092020
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http://www.myantiquemall.com/czechbohemianmoserartglass/czechbohemianmoserartglass.html
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I would say after looking at the fine detail of the flowers it is looking more like Moser to me if you check the last link I sent you in there are some vases with almost identical raised flower motifs
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mm, at least two of those vases on that site are definitely NOT Moser despite the site saying they are.
I would query those with the raised flowers since I cannot see a signature or a label that says Moser on them. Did I miss something?
You see, lots of people will say they are selling a piece made by Moser. That would not be a confirmed reference. A definitive identification would be needed for that. A signed piece, or some primary identification source from Moser or a pattern book for example.
m
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The Moser book published by Moser doesn't show any high enamel of this type...
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Hi everyone
I do not write that it's Moser but that's what I asked for. The pain is thick and well-imposed, there's no signature I'm looking for help, everyone can suggest ???
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Hi,
I do not know anything, I'm looking for everything and I get a twist, enamel for the Czech Republic too big and too thick, glass for the Czech Republic for very thick, maybe Italy, not Moser, please add some links to the Italian glass. during the uprising I think that it is older than the years 50-60
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Hello to everyone again, I am looking, I am reviewing and I am missing any reference to the subject or you can have done something........ ???
https://www.lotsearch.de/lot/a-bohemian-moser-style-enamelled-and-gilt-decorated-glass-41186839?orderBy=lot-title&order=ASC&perPage=80
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a, maybe it is the thickness of the glass similar, the manner of placing the enamel similar...
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24244/lot/30/?category=list&length=100&page=1
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