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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: thewingedsphinx on April 29, 2019, 11:43:07 AM
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Hi, I would be very grateful for some direction on these two glasses.I’m having difficulty in describing them let alone identifying them. Because of the thick stem could they be firing toasting glasses? But the bowl seems wrong for drinking out of. I’ve come across similar hand painted pictures but no identifying marks. Any help most appreciated.
Thanks Mike
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There is something about the shape of the pedestal that made me think Baccarat......and they did produce pieces with birds painted on them. There are some good photos on this link
https://www.seidenbergantiques.com/shop/glass/pair-of-french-opaline-vases-baccarat.html
Any feeling about age? Maybe a photo of he bottom would be helpful.
I do like them!
Cat
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I suspect the quality of painting on those vases in the link is rather superior to that on the glasses.
I've got a pair of clear small very ordinary martini sort of style of glasses, with fighting cockerels on, which I think are much more in keeping with WingedSphinx's.
I don't know what they are. They are hand-painted and the birds on each are similar, but quite different. They do make a pair, with the higher up bird with outspread wings being on a different side on each glass.
Piccies soon. I don't have any to hand.
It was the completely different style of glass this fighting cockerel painting is on that really confused me. My glasses have/(had) gold rims and a gold band around the foot. They don't even look the same sort of age as these. ???
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Thank you for your comments, the base is flat and blank nothing more than that, the stems are really solid and chunky. I've seen some champagne glasses on eBay with similar paintings. I've no idea of the age.
Thanks
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Can we please ask to have Bohemian taken out of the title unless we know these are Bohemian?
Many thanks
m
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A couple of eBay links that are similar , the painting on the egg is closer than the glasses, I presume fighting cockerels were popular in the 1930’s? Thanks Mike
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173847550863
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F152596133177
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Page 95 of Millers glass buyers guide Janette Hayhurst has similar piece attributed? To Weiner Werkstatte Austria similar shape same bowl hand painted different theme but a reducing cylindrical base rather that octagonal. Shape is a beaker? It’s the only thing so far that comes close. Thanks Mike
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Hi, The glasses are almost certainly cocktail glasses from the inter-war years (most likely early 1920s to 1939). Cockerels in various forms were a very common motif on cocktail glasses, I have approaching 1,000 and have not seen these particular glasses before. I have one set with engraved cockerels on a similar glass blank, all clear glass, but with a slightly different stem arrangement. I have no idea where, far less who made them. A set of 6 glasses commonly had 3 or 6 different views of the cock fight starting with "set to" and ending with "the death" where the winning cockerel stands proud over his dead opponent.
Hand enamelled glassware was most commonly produced in Czechoslovakia, before 1918 part of Bohemia. Other countries also produced hand enamelled glasses but the largest producers after Czeckoslovakia were UK and USA. In my experience the best quality cocktail glasses decorated with cockerels are from USA. For obvious reasons, production stopped around 1939 in Czechoslovakia and UK. If they are US they could be slightly later.
Most hand enamelled cocktail glasses had a transfer printed outline applied to the glass for use as a template for the decorator. You may be able to see black outlines on the cockerel. The ground/grass/background is more usually left to the individual decorator's discretion so is less likely to have evidence of a transfer print. The glasses look to be good quality with a coloured bowl and clear stem.
Sorry I cannot offer any more information on maker or country of origin.
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That's useful and interesting info, thanks! :)
And I need to say Welcome to the board too,
I see you joined to give us this help, which is very kind of you indeed.
Welcome to the board WIM. ;D
I can see thin outlines on my birds, but the painting itself is quite good, it uses the brush strokes to indicate the feathers. The person doing it was certainly far better at the "colouring in" bit than I ever could be. ;D
I wondered, though, given the shape of the OP's pieces, if they're not sweetmeats or grapefruit bowls rather than something for drinking out of. :)
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WIM
Thanks very much for your time, signing up and comments, I’ve attached more photos the base is very chunky compared to the thin green bowl. I’m now investigating the Czech link and Hoffman and Werkstatte Austrian direction. The similar item in Millers book has been dated as c1908. Which ties up with your comments, dimensions are 7cm wide and 8 1/2 cm high.
Thanks again Mike
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I have just cleaned up my glasses - (they'd been used as candleholders, then as dust collectors) and I've taken pics, but I can't download or fix them for posting.
The pc died. Himself had to set up a new one. Himself isn't that good at this sort of thing, but not as bad as I am. I can't do anything with it. I've lost all the computery thingies like Paint shop pro that I am able to use a tiny bit;
I haven't a clue how to make or open any files or access anything and on top of it all - the new mouse has a serious dose of the skitters.
And I'm told I can't go to my old word files and copy and paste all the stuff I have typed out there into the new whatever-they-are ones.
How *^<>*£% stupid is that? ???
>:(
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Thanks Sue, I understand your frustration I take my pictures standing up but when I post them on here they fall over.
Any way I found some similar Czech pieces from Karl Palda. I know nothing of this type of glass so it’s all new to me. This eBay link shows some of a very similar shape. I also found some Josaf Hoffman pieces with similar octagonal vases like the desna green and frosted items. Thanks
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F123743744878
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Himself says it can be sorted. But he's away just now. I'll post pics eventually. They're in the camera.
I discovered on cleaning them, that one of them has extra feathers flying around added.
Not within any outlines. Whoever painted my birds put effort into it.
Would the painting have been done using a sort of cottage industry?
The shape of those glasses you find looks right. :)
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Hi, I’ve now found lots of similar glasses by Karl Prada some have the same base but different bowls and different Art Deco paintings. None though of cockerels. I presume the actual glass pieces could have been sent out to all different places for painting?
Thanks
Cheers Mike
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Finished glasses being sent out for painting was exactly what I was thinking - I just called it "cottage industry". :)
The styles of glasses are very different, but the painting is quite similar, as if it is a style all the different painters are expected to emulate.
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Apologies correct spelling Karl Palda Czech, found similar shaped glasses on eBay and google images.
Thanks